I agree wholeheartedly.

I got a feeling Im gonna be told this shortly.

Very interesting responses.

One more that I've come to realize more than ever...

Raw numbers don't lie. And everyone defines their own unique.

I think this discovery was made by Xpics first
;-))))

If you are sending traffic to anyone, you are DEFINTELY being shaved.
If you are sending traffic to yourself , you STILL MIGHT be being shaved.

;-))

If you don't believe me , you are from GFY.

:)

1. How much money people can make from international traffic, especially when they use ADS dialers

2. How much good lawyers are worth, and cost

3. Dont take shit from anyone if it costs you money. see lesson 2

:)

more than "Uncle Boris" from Brighton Beach
;-))))

Don't trust anyone with "Fantasy" or "Guru" in their name.


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This business reminds me a little of the used car industry. :)

1) Everyones got to make money ( ie always leave enough in the deal for the next guy )

2) Closing the deal is just as important at the negotiation part.

3) Stick to the truth ( it tends not to come back around to bite your arse when your not looking :awinky: )

4) Know thy friends,enemies & aquaintenances and their strenghts & weaknesses ( that way you don't get to many nasty surprises )

:)



Last edited by HoneyBlond at Mar 13 2004, 01:01 PM

Don't trust anyone with "Fantasy" or "Guru" in their name.


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CJ - Moffit just made a Pearl!

homegrownmof: Don't trust anyone with "Fantasy" or "Guru" in their name.
(Add "Nick" to the list.)


1. Don't befriend caged animals.

2. Censorship is the death of porn.

The lying one that is not a pornographer.

CJ - Moffit just made a Pearl![/b][/quote]
how can you pick that one over all the others on this page?!

the whole thread is a pearl!

TGF summed it up much more concisely and eloquently than I could! What he says is at the core of everything else I've learend in this industry....

It's quite amazing actually when you think about it. The entire industry is created around deception and treating your customers as prey. And the attitude is take just as much as you can possibly get away with.

Sponsors advertise $30-$40 a signup. Everyone knows they have to shave and fudge the numbers to keep up the appearance of that payout, but it's all a wink nudge business as usual thing.

Would any other business put up with it? Imagine you were selling copper pipe. A contractor agrees to pay you $1000 per house. You ship him enough copper for 10 houses and get a check back for $5000. You ask, he says he was only able to plumb 5 houses. You notice that he has 10 new houses done though. This is the norm in our business....

It's not just sponsors though. Webmasters are fleecing the surfers and will stretch whatever rules the sponsors have for accepting traffic and signups to the absolute limit. And if the sponsors were honest, saying they could afford to pay an honest unshaved $10 per signup for instance, dumbfucks would say "that aint enough!" and keep on sending to the higher PPS programs.

Everyone fucks everyone, but as disfunctional as the whole thing is, it's still the best way to make money with traffic on the net.

Why spam a bot? :P

Disagree. Sometimes that's true. Sometimes not.



Anyways, thought of a few more items to mention:


When someone gives you advice, wonder what their angle is.

If someone promotes something heavily, 9 times out of 10 run the other way.

Know everyone's interconnections and everyone's histories with each other. (I feel sorry for the newer folks who don't have this knowledge. It will hurt many of them when they say or do the wrong thing to the wrong person.)

Bullshit is the fuel that runs this industry's furnace.

Don't act like everyone else. Act like yourself.

You can post emotionally, but only if you're in control (even if just barely) of your emotions.

Diversify, diversify, diversify.

If you're making a post and you think it MIGHT be a mistake, then it IS a mistake. Always without fail. So don't post it, walk away.

Programmers: You can't live with them, and you can't live without them.

If you think you have a great idea, at least 10 other people in this industry have the same idea. And at least 200 others will copy it.

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. (Not original, but it works.)

There's more smoke and mirrors in this business than Hollywood, D.C. and a Vegas show revue combined.

Always have a backup plan. And a backup plan to the backup plan. Etc.

The one's who constantly have to announce how honest they are, are probably the worse crooks.

Not everyone in this business is dishonest, some people are actually poor.

Never tell secrets. Especially yours.

This needed to be at the beginning of this thread :P

A few I've learned.

For sponsers, the only number that's real is the amount on the check that clears the bank.

There's three things needed to succed in this business - traffic, content and billing. If you don't have one of them, you're buying from someone who does.

ahahahahaha had tp nominate this one as a pearl !!!!!!!!!!!

Be genuinely nice to people just for the sake of being nice, NOT because it might mean traffic/profits/kharma/etc.

Dave
www.davecummings.com

Hi Dave...long time no see.

I gotta agree with you on this one.

Being an ass just because you "can" doesn't do you shit in business, and no one remembers you with any fondness later.

darling,
I like to be an ass for one reason only...

because ASSist starts with it
;-)))

LL, enough with the weasel talk already. :D