100% agree


spaz

Interesting terms. Pro-life. Pro-choice. Brilliant marketing.

I think the pro-lifers have a slightly better argument but I'm still pro-abortion. It's more consistent with my libertarian contruct.

"A woman's right to do what she wants with her body". That's really brilliant and of course, in our system of laws no one has a right to do what they want to with their body. Why anyone would make an exception for this rather than something else is well, it's all marketing and we know it.

First off, this is Oprano. Most of the ladies here are intelligent enough to protect themselves against getting pregnant if they dont want a baby. So I doubt the percentage who have had abortions is very high.

As for me, not pro-choice, definitely pro-abortion... I think you should be able to abort 'em right up to the point that they graduate, get a job and move out of the house. In fact, if they're making noise and being disruptive at a restaurant or during a movie, I think you should be able to abort someone else's child too....

so....
Live and let live is NOT your motto?
;-)))

so....
Live and let live is NOT your motto?
;-)))[/b][/quote]
Watch out. She's knocked up, so those mommy hormones are raging thru her body...

I wish all your moms had loved abortion.

I believe in pro-choice and I believe there are times when abortion is the only answer; however it’s a delicate matter. On one hand I think a woman should have a baby and if she didn’t want it give it up for adoption but I know that any route she chooses it’s a difficult choice. Then I think about all the kids out there that aren’t adopted and then you look at people who adopt with ill-intent.

Here’s what I think…

When a girl comes to age where she can get pregnant she if taken to the doctor and a birth control implant is put in her. No exceptions. Once she feels she is ready to conceive she goes through a series of interviews and a few workshops, maybe volunteers at a child care facility. After some real thought the implant is removed. I think this would curtail many problems and there’s no issue of abortion, welfare abuse, etc.

I believe in pro-choice and I believe there are times when abortion is the only answer; however it’s a delicate matter. On one hand I think a woman should have a baby and if she didn’t want it give it up for adoption but I know that any route she chooses it’s a difficult choice. Then I think about all the kids out there that aren’t adopted and then you look at people who adopt with ill-intent.

Here’s what I think…

When a girl comes to age where she can get pregnant she if taken to the doctor and a birth control implant is put in her. No exceptions. Once she feels she is ready to conceive she goes through a series of interviews and a few workshops, maybe volunteers at a child care facility. After some real thought the implant is removed. I think this would curtail many problems and there’s no issue of abortion, welfare abuse, etc.[/b][/quote]
yeah thats a good idea.
Then we could also decide that she doesnt meet a minimum income, or maybe shes ugly, or fat, or the wrong race (we dont want them people propagating now do we).

The extreme end of your argument would be the first thing brought up if this was ever even remotely considered as a potential law.


spaz

show your mom your avatar and post her comments here....

cutting one's hairs - requires LICENSE
Driving - requires License
picking up garbage - requires Lecense

having children is NOT. The most important function in the society, bringing new life, does not require MINIMUM knowledge every other function in the society requires.

What's wrong with this picture?

cutting hair doesn't REQUIRE a license, it's just smart. Anyone can cut your hair if you let them. The license is supposed to represent the trusted opinion of an outside 3rd party
Driving license is a tax.......thats it. Oh sure they make you pass a test, but only to make you feel better about it.
I can take my trash to the landfill in the back of my truck if I so choose.... Which i do not

requiring a license to propagate the species is way to Orwellian for the vast majority of people in the world.

Its very concept is the height of arrogance


spaz

you do not live in America, do you?

you don't know shit about licensing system in USA

Nope, I live in the Peoples Republic of Spazovania
I'd say visit but our Immigration is really strict :yowsa:

spaz

Nope, I live in the Peoples Republic of Spazovania
I'd say visit but our Immigration is really strict :yowsa:

spaz[/b][/quote]
do you have smart siblings or are you the only child?

your ignorance is of GFY proportion

do you have smart siblings or are you the only child?

your ignorance is of GFY proportion[/b][/quote]
LOL you kill me Serge honest to god
I disagree with you and BAM bring out the GFY BS
come on Rusky, relax a bit
you know chill...........
cant take a little nipple tweaking now and then?

spaz

LOL you kill me Serge honest to god
I disagree with you and BAM bring out the GFY BS
come on Rusky, relax a bit
you know chill...........
cant take a little nipple tweaking now and then?

spaz[/b][/quote]
when you disagree with me in opinions-
that's all fine and dandy.

My remarks were addressed your ignorance about LICENSING issue,
and licensing ISSUE only.

want me educate you about licensing in USA?

when you disagree with me in opinions-
that's all fine and dandy.

My remarks were addressed your ignorance about LICENSING issue,
and licensing ISSUE only.

want me educate you about licensing in USA?[/b][/quote]
ahhhhhhhhh nope not a real education by any stretch
but you could educate me specifically on the three examples listed. Never hurts to learn more
Here is my view
If you desire to cut hair commercially then you need a lisence..... not commercially then go for it
Driving a car.......Drivers licenses were originally instituted in the US as a means of generating tax revenue for the states.......you weren't always required to have either a license plate or a DL until it was realized what a tax benefit it could have on a state level. As time passed DLs were considered a way of making life safer in the US so the tests were instituted. Public safety, but the underlying motivation from the beginning was revenue for the states, thats why there is no standardize test for it. No federal DLs yet
Taking out the trash.........same as cutting hair. If you want to do it commercially...........well then..........
I will agree, if someone wishes to produce children commercially, they should be licensed and inspected on a regular basis, so you win the argument as far as kiddies go


spaz

I see your point and your accent on the COMMERCIAL issue.

so....
Live and let live is NOT your motto?
;-)))[/b][/quote]
Allowing a baby to live would be the pinnacle of "live and let live", don't you think? :)

LMAO Hellpuppy - between this and the raging mommy hormones comment I think I might've pulled something :awinky:


Btw, just for statistical info, I've never had an abortion. I've gotten pregnant 3 times and have 2 kids, awaiting the outcome of the third.
And I was very much pro-choice until the moment I realized I was pregnant the first time - which was about 10 minutes after the sex that caused it. :)

Allowing a baby to live would be the pinnacle of "live and let live", don't you think? :)[/b][/quote]
no, I don't, as a matter of fact.

Bringing the human to the life of misery, poor education, horrors,
is irresponcible.
Some children would be better of unborn than born.

need examples?

That's in *your* opinion. And I think the same thing about some people, but you never know what will happen.
Many people thought Einstein was a worthless idiot and a waste of skin. There's tons of examples for both sides of the argument.

The thing is, though - you never know what a difference one person will make or what will become of them. People raised in the most horrible of conditions have gone on to be incredibly successful, leaders of the people, or inspirations to others, etc etc.
You just never know.

I am pro sex !!! and lot's of it !!!

Can not take the pill..makes me tired or nuts (even more than now..lol)

and by looking at me I get pregnant.. had 3 abortions since age 18...

and yes my own fault I use those counting methods ... you have green days and red days and egg days.... I alwasy get horny on the red days....

no regrets and no shame. It is my body and I was and am not ready to be a good mother !

Respect to those who decide different ... I think I rather adopt a child than have one..

am scared for the giving birth part... :(


I love kids though & love to shop for them ! the baby clothes are sooo cute .. so I cuddle with my friends baby once in a while and I have my little doggy she thinks she is my baby....

Kids are great but I feel that you have to put your kids before your own needs and I could not be a part time mother... So I decide not to have one.. at least for the comming 10 years LOL

:wnw: - great post

That's why I became a first time father at 39

That's in *your* opinion. And I think the same thing about some people, but you never know what will happen.
Many people thought Einstein was a worthless idiot and a waste of skin. There's tons of examples for both sides of the argument.

The thing is, though - you never know what a difference one person will make or what will become of them. People raised in the most horrible of conditions have gone on to be incredibly successful, leaders of the people, or inspirations to others, etc etc.
You just never know.[/b][/quote]
and can you back it up with statistics?

what in your opinion the ratio of
suffering children vs "children who overcame"?

don't be shy, what is a few zeros between friends?

yes but mistakes happen ... why should you have to pay for it for the rest of your life? more importantly, why should the child have to pay for it for the rest of its life?

sometimes, its just the right thing to do ... and sometimes its the easy way out

ask pushpills mom!!!!![/b][/quote]
Yes, mistakes do happen and that is where responsibility comes in. Adoption or suck it up and make changes to your life to accomodate having a child.

There are so many ways to prevent pregnancy nowadays unexpected births should be MUCH lower than they actually are.

http://www.askmen.com/love/dzimmer_60/72_l...ve_answers.html

I cannot WAIT until this becomes available. I would use that pill in a heartbeat.

30 coat hangers.

LOL JR - nowdays we use the vacuum cleaner:)))

enforcer, we eat meat like baby cows and baby chickens.... they already developped more brain than the little 6 weeks eggs when you get pregnant...

And believe me no woman wants to get pregnant and have an abortion. It's not a nice feeling and the hormons the body starts producing have to get normal again....

Let me know when the pill is available - I'll make hubby take it LOL

Pro choice & pro abortion...

I do think some people are a bit too retarded to make thier own choices however....we see that every day in certain governments ;-)

There isn't much difference between a 16week and a new born. Both are TOTALLY dependent on the parent to live.

I'm personally for pro-choice. However, I disagree with abortion being used as a means for birth control. Especially when there are so many safe methods available to men and women. If a woman is using abortion as a means of birthcontrol purely because she and her mate are to damn lazy to cover the stump or take a pill, she should be sterilized after her second abortion. Problem solved...the dumb people can't have kids anymore.