Extreme is "similar". they pushed the limits, made themselves a target and it eventually it came back to haunt them. Unless Canadian law is different and legal decisions are made by trial by combat or by jousting in the parking lot, then it ALWAYS about interpretation.... that of the defense and the prosecutors... and their interpetations of law, of events, of actions and so on.

you are now saying its about "interpretations of a gray area of the law" without acknowledging that you pushed the limits of that gray area... made a conscious choice to base a large part of your business on dealing with that gray area.. then you later cry fowl when it all goes wrong.

i wish you guys luck, i really do. i dont have a problem with anything you have done with consenting models. but the law often does. in fact, the law does in a very wide variety of situations. even more often, those people enforcing the law have a big problem with it. In the end, the law is interpreted by people. those people have their own tastes, their own agendas, their own opinions and their own interpretations of what is and is not legal. if you are choosing to live and work in a gray area... then you cannot possibly be surprised at various interpretations... nor of the consequences as a result of different interpretations.

all that matters in the end, are those interpretations of the law by the same people who will be giving the orders to kick your doors in, arrest you, sieze your assets and put you in prison.



Last edited by JR at Feb 20 2004, 06:32 PM

Oh, are we starting to look at this clearly now?

Or JR, do you still say.. "play with fire...." ?

Incidentally, I wonder... did you vote in this poll?
What did you vote?

clearly? as if there are other facts than "its a gray area" , "we work in that gray area"

i dont know all the details, but i have not seen anything to indicate that the above does not represent the core issue.

how does it get more clear? i dont know everything. i just know what i know. if there are more facts, then they should be posted so people are forming opinions based on the facts of the case rather than what they have seen about content and heard about model complaints or based on the fact. instead, we are hearing that its all unfair from a person talking about being a victem and about "grey areas of the law" who is also promoting a guy who holds a girl down, pisses into her mouth with her trying to resist and begins to choke on his unrin and begins to cry in his sig?



Last edited by JR at Feb 20 2004, 06:42 PM

am i the only one that thinks this press release makes little sense

the "other people like it and do it so its ok" defense?

that does not sound like a missunderstanding in interpretations of the law to me.

If you don't know everything, then why all the comments like "he's pushed the boundaries", "play with fire..." etc.. ?

I "clearly" look at the SEG situation at face value, making no judgements about it. Boundary? What boundary? It's not up to me to decide.

i have read the laws and seen the content and read peoples comments. thats all i have to form an opinion. like most people, i have formed an opinion based on what i know. it does not mean i am right... but again, no one is presenting anything to change my (and apparently anyone else's) opinion either.

why is a remark like "he pushed the boundaries" out of line or not truthful?
I have not seen anyone disagree with that remark.

this is my point. we dont decide. it was already decided. those boundaries exist already in black and white.

it does not seem to be a question about defining them as it does an issue of enforceing them.

This is a poker game, pockets are in hand and the flop hasn't come up yet.
Steve/Max drop $11k on the table.
Serge grins evilly, sees the $11k, and raises half a mil.

Will we get to see the flop???



Last edited by Carrie at Feb 20 2004, 10:51 PM

Carrie you are a poker addict!!

I caught myself making poker references a lore more lately as well...

Gamesmanship by Serge. "$500K" is like asking serges version of a rhetorical question. Steves peeps would be best to not worry about chat boards, and worry about what matters, the courts. This is a game, the charges that Steve faces are serious.

wanna really make it exciting and MIND BOGGLING???

With LOTS of adrenalin to pass around?

How about we make it $500,000 for Jail time/No jail time?????

if Steve beats the wrap, his victory will be REAL Sweet!
;-))))

whatta you say?????[/b][/quote]
I love Serge

Are we talking about canadian or us dollars? :unsure:

My comment here has nothing to do with this thread or the Sweets, I just have to say that, regretably, I totally agree with the above statement, and it's refreshing to see someone with the balls to say it like it is, Mike. :okthumb:

I should have put Euros to eliviate the confusions
;-((((

also, he is not "taking a stand"... he is being "put on the stand" for breaking the law. there is a big difference. he is not choosing to fight... he is being forced to defend himself.[/b][/quote]
Actually, if I am not mistaken, Steve could have backed off, paid a fine, pulled the content that was in question and continued on his merry way.

He chose to stand up and fight for what he believes to be right. So, that being the case, he is standing up and fighting and in the end, it DOES affect all of those that produce content.

Actually, if I am not mistaken, Steve could have backed off, paid a fine, pulled the content that was in question and continued on his merry way.

He chose to stand up and fight for what he believes to be right. So, that being the case, he is standing up and fighting and in the end, it DOES affect all of those that produce content.[/b][/quote]
"if i not mistaken" he is facing criminal charges. that does not sound like a choice to me.

again... maybe we are missing a piece of the puzzle? i have never heard that he was offered a choice to just stop what he was doing.

JR, the missing piece of the puzzle is worth between 11k and 500k....
;-)))

i am just really confused on the whole martyrdom thing. someone works in a shady area of the business... claims awareness that there is little to no legal protection... then pushes the limits of what is admittedly a gray area... gets arrested, criminal charges are filed, then its said they are doing it for everyone.

i dont get it.

no 70 virgins for me :(

Serge you know the bet we offered.

We all know you're not serious about 500k
so are you gonna stop blowing
smoke out your ass and take it or what?

Max,
you child bet could be good for GFYers, this is Oprano, we don't play with pocket change....

Every day I buy and sell hundreds of thousands dollars worth of stocks, bonds, commodities...not because I need the money, but because that excites me.
Betting for $11,000 has as much excitement for me as watching my grass grow.

I thought you, out of all people would understand the excitement of EXTREME situations, kinda like your content....don't you REALLY get it??????? I can't beleive it....

I'll give you another example what excitement is:
watching Brad's board fail -
is NOT excitement, it's a bore..
watching Brad break Lensman's back IS excitement...
nothing makes more noises than the colossus on the paper legs drop and smack on the ground
;-)))

did you get my drift now, or do I still have to make my point more understandable?

max,
if you STILL didn't get my point,
than,
http://justblowme.com
;-)))

Hmmm.... I think we (meaning the Oprano regulars) think that Serge is dead serious on this one....

(although if you check the history, when he wins, he might settle for a $1.00 check with the words "You were right Serge" written on it... )


disclaimer: nothing that I say counts in anyway whatsoever...ever.... :yowsa:

My comment here has nothing to do with this thread or the Sweets, I just have to say that, regretably, I totally agree with the above statement, and it's refreshing to see someone with the balls to say it like it is, Mike. :okthumb:[/b][/quote]
Balls??!! Doesn't take balls to make that statement, only eyes. That is the nature of the beast and not just for this industry...........this industry is not unique in its ability and willingness to fuck one another over.
Free Will + Free Enterprise + Big Money = Cut Throat 'Only The Strongest Thrive' Business model.

Oh and Max, I have been a fan of SEG for a loooooooooooooong time, but if you think Serge is 'joking' about a half mil bet then call him on it. Agree to it. I don't know Serge, have never met him eyeball to eyeball but I get the impression that he isn't joking and he has brought his tape measure and $500K worth of cock and is waiting to see how SEG's measures up.
is it $11K worth of dick?
or
$500K?
Size does matter


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