I honestly wish it wasn't a woman's right to kill a baby just because she was a dumb slut who didn't take a pill or didn't insist on a condom. I wish it was a perfect world and those women had to give their children to loving adoptive families who couldn't have their own children and will ensure the baby has a good home. It's not a perfect world though. How I wish it was, especially for my kid's sake.

Ahh see that is illegal here. There is a limit to the number of abortions a woman can have here for non-medical reasons. And even then, they attempt to have a woman go through several other alternatives (such as counselling and adoption is also pushed hard) before they allow it.

I've already made my opinion pretty clear though on what I feel about those women. It's a slap in the face to women like me who wanted desperately to have children, but have nothing but trouble. I almost died having my first two and this third will be my last, and the medical complications will be huge. People who take children and their lives for granted make me physically ill.[/b][/quote]

Yes but their decisions and beliefs is what brought this child into the world in this state... and for what? It all comes down to selfish reasons on the mother part. I'm not saying selfish reasons are bad. But she made the choice to bring the child into the world.

She should be sterilized.

I'm all for abortion, but when people start using it as chronic birth control it's time to start sterilizing.[/b][/quote]
Fucking rights she should be.

Yes but their decisions and beliefs is what brought this child into the world in this state... and for what? It all comes down to selfish reasons on the mother part. I'm not saying selfish reasons are bad. But she made the choice to bring the child into the world.[/b][/quote]
I'm talking about the mothers who decide to give birth to deformed babies.. It's their decision, and nobody can really judge them based on that decision, just like it wouldn't be my right to judge them if they had terminated the pregnancy. Some people handle those situations better than others.. Some have strong religious beliefs on the subject. It's not always about selfishness. I think some people are so quick to judge, but sometimes it's the things we don't know about that are the deciding factors. If a woman is just a slut who is too stupid to use birth control, that makes itself pretty obvious, but like I say there are elements to every situation that are contributing factors. I would never force a child who was pregnant due to rape to have a baby.. would you? I don't think it would be selfish for that child to be spared that.. I'm a situationalist, I guess. It all depends on the situation and motivation at the time.

And you received your medical degree from where? And you examined these babies when? And you're 100% positive the pictures are exactly what the site claims they are? :unsure:

But it's OK if the baby dies a horrible death when it's fuller to term (which, in my Mom's experience, they will ALL do) and the mother has a possibility of dying with it.

You mean the right to die upon birth and possibly kill or render the mother sterile in the process?

Sorry, but having a friend go through this process and having a Mother with decades of experience, I tend to believe what they tell me before believing a male with website links.[/b][/quote]


My sex has nothing to do with my viewpoints. I stated that the babies "appeared" to be normal. You don't need a medical degree to state that something appears normal.

Babies in a trashbag signifies how some view these children. I view them differently. I cherish life and if a child of mine died.. it would not end up in a trash can. No matter how it died. I would respect the memory of my dead child and give it the dignity of a burial.

I also stated that there are always exceptions and that ultimately it's the mothers choice. So if you think I'm "sexist" or something because I feel it's the womans right to choose then so be it. I don't have to have tits, ovaries and a vagina to know the difference between right and wrong.

I hear you on that one. All I can do is raise my son with a respect for life and help him learn how to make good choices. Top of the list is birth control.. then choosing a partner with strong character.. etc etc.. good choices can help lessen the chances of ending up with a woman that will kill your child. :rokk:

I second that with every fiber of my being.

I'm talking about the mothers who decide to give birth to deformed babies.. It's their decision, and nobody can really judge them based on that decision, just like it wouldn't be my right to judge them if they had terminated the pregnancy. Some people handle those situations better than others.. Some have strong religious beliefs on the subject. It's not always about selfishness. I think some people are so quick to judge, but sometimes it's the things we don't know about that are the deciding factors. If a woman is just a slut who is too stupid to use birth control, that makes itself pretty obvious, but like I say there are elements to every situation that are contributing factors. I would never force a child who was pregnant due to rape to have a baby.. would you? I don't think it would be selfish for that child to be spared that.. I'm a situationalist, I guess. It all depends on the situation and motivation at the time.[/b][/quote]


Right.. I think our wires are getting crossed here. The "selfishness" thing was in reference to the drug baby picture... selfish doing drugs while pregnant.. then carrying the baby to term.

Given the correct set of circumstances every human being has the ability to kill another. It's been proven.

These woman are killing their babies... I could make it a nice term "terminating pregancies" "aborting" etc. But the end result, no matter how you sugar coat it , is a dead baby. And let me re-iterate again. I am not against these women killing their babies. Sometimes you have to do it for all the right reasons.

Yeah doing drugs while pregnant is selfish, as is drinking alcohol etc.. Those poor kids never had a chance to begin with. It's too bad there isn't some kind of test that people have to take before getting pregnant, and some master switch somewhere that turns her ability to concieve on and off. :)

Btw... tell me this is one of the straight ones. Yummy. I could lick that for hours :P

I wish there was some kind of test.. but then again.. things like this can't be tested for:

http://www.den94ek.cz/peklo/pic/pic-def-rec01.jpg

http://www.den94ek.cz/peklo/pic/pic-def-porod5.jpg

http://www.den94ek.cz/peklo/pic/pic-def-inter1.jpg

http://www.den94ek.cz/peklo/pic/pic-def-mer2.jpg

http://www.den94ek.cz/peklo/pic/pic-def-minipredkus.jpg

Btw... tell me this is one of the straight ones. Yummy. I could lick that for hours :P[/b][/quote]


Yeah.. straight as an arrow *sigh* you girls always get the cute ones :(

I'm shooting him again on Friday.. I'll write Carrie on his ass and take some pics for you :) An early christmas present :)

Any special message you want me to write.. or just your name?



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Ackkk... hehe
Just a smile and a wave will do :)

Ah you're not fun! I'll think of something.

Have you ever seen "The Pillow Book" with Ewan McCgregor (sp) ?

Total full nutidy of him in it.. it's an awesome Japanese story... one of my favorites.

You should check it out. Last time I checked Blockbuster had it.

While the feelings about the subject of this thread are very strong I could live without seeing it this morning - or any other

Ah you're not fun! I'll think of something.

Have you ever seen "The Pillow Book" with Ewan McCgregor (sp) ?

Total full nutidy of him in it.. it's an awesome Japanese story... one of my favorites.

You should check it out. Last time I checked Blockbuster had it.[/b][/quote]
Ewan MacGregor naked you say? ON MY WAY!!

It's a very interesting and good movie besides EMc being naked. :)

It's a very interesting and good movie besides EMc being naked. :)[/b][/quote]
After I heard good ole Ewan singing... I've been in extreme lust ever since.. That man could have me do pretty much anything for him after hearing "My gift is my soooooooooooooooong" :)

I already thought he was dead sexy, but that just completely clinched it. I think I will go watch Moulin Rouge this afternoon.

I couldn't bear to watch more than the first 45 minutes of MR - Ewan or no Ewan. :barfon:

I couldn't bear to watch more than the first 45 minutes of MR - Ewan or no Ewan. :barfon:[/b][/quote]
I enjoy those kind of flicks though from time to time. That and I have an excrutiatingly massive crush on Nicole Kidman.

I couldn't bear to watch more than the first 45 minutes of MR - Ewan or no Ewan. :barfon:[/b][/quote]
You made it longer than I did. I think I got to 15 minutes. They were in the club and Nicole had just finished ....singing? Yowling?

But I do so love the MR video with Pink, Maya, Lil' Kim and Christina :okthumb: (can't forget Missy too!)

I enjoy those kind of flicks though from time to time. That and I have an excrutiatingly massive crush on Nicole Kidman.[/b][/quote]
Nicole is definitely to die for, with that pale skin and those long luscious strawberry curls... my hubby would give me up in an instant just for one night with her :D

Nicole is definitely to die for, with that pale skin and those long luscious strawberry curls... my hubby would give me up in an instant just for one night with her :D[/b][/quote]
Nicole Kidman :barfon:

far too undernourished :blink:

I agree with Vick.

Nowadays she is Trev, but she used to be curvier. Think back to when she did that movie with Tom Cruise and they were settling the West. Can't remember what it's called, of course.

Still, with a week of good food she'd have her nice hips back and a natural blush in her cheeks :awinky:

One film she did do it for me was Dead Calm... much more of a figure back then :)

I wish I could say I was going to be able to stick around after posting this - but I have to leave for the afternoon. Even so, I wanted to weigh in with my 2 cents (don't we all?).

My view is simple: Everyone can have an opinion - but no one should be able to LEGALLY enforce thier opinions on a mother to be. Period.

People can make all kinds of comments about how Mom's who abort should be sterilized, and so on. Or start debates about whether abortion is murder, etc, etc, etc.

Bottom line - if you're not THAT person, carrying THAT baby - you shouldn't have a say in what THAT mother decides to do. It's her life, not yours.

We can dissaprove of a persons life choices all we want - and even be right about it. But we shouldn't be able to tell them not to make those choices - it is their life, after all.

Along those lines - with respect to the women who have posted their views - it's an interesting statistic that the greater majority of pro life activists are single men. In other words, men who don't carry a child, and haven't even committed to marriage. As a married man who prefers women strong and free, I find this statistic appalling.

Just my 2 cents. Debate - fine. Prosecute - a violation of personal liberties.

I agree with you to a Point... when a mother-to-be, however, is abusing the system by consistantly having "birth control abortions", they are taking away from others who actually need medical attention. THAT would be where I draw the line. That's pretty much how it is in Canada. You are allowed a maximum of 4 state-funded abortions before you have to pay out of pocket, and I believe there's a cap on the number thereafter as well. But yes, it's up to the mother and for a government to tell her what she can do with her body is a crime.

Sorry - one other thing.

When I was 20, my then wife got an abortion against my wishes - because she was leaving me and didn't want the hassle. And it was devastating. While I now have a stepdaughter I love very much, it's unlikely I'll ever experience having a child of my own.

Even so - I stick with my convictions above. That was between me and her, and never something I would want a law to resolve for me.

I agree with you to a Point... when a mother-to-be, however, is abusing the system by consistantly having "birth control abortions", they are taking away from others who actually need medical attention. THAT would be where I draw the line. That's pretty much how it is in Canada. You are allowed a maximum of 4 state-funded abortions before you have to pay out of pocket, and I believe there's a cap on the number thereafter as well. But yes, it's up to the mother and for a government to tell her what she can do with her body is a crime.[/b][/quote]
Thanks. Re: state funded - I agree whole heartedly. I want a woman to have full right to choose - that doesn't mean I want to PAY for it!

:)

Jeezus those are some horrible pics. Anyway, using abortion as birth-control is fucking retarded, and every hood rat on welfare loves using this method. Partial-birth abortions really should only be used if the mother's life is in danger. If you don't want the kid, quit fucking every guy on your block.

Mother's rights, mother's body, mother's choice...
*sighs and quietly asks*

What about the baby's rights, body, and choice?

Just to bring something up:

The morning after pill is relatively new. If a condom breaks, or you have unprotected sex, you know you're in trouble and can use it. But it HAS been only recently prescribed.

In addition, many other medications render birth control pills ineffective. It's becoming widely known now, but for decades my mother delivered "Antibiotic babies". :awinky: I personally see no reason why abortion shouldn't be available for these women.

Yeah.. Depends on the situation though too.

Posting bloody abortion pictures as an argument against abortion is like posting pictures of open heart surgery as an argument against by passes. I have photographed lots of open heart surgery and it looks disgusting, but it saves lives. So stop with the stupid abortion pictures already. You guys live in a country that is blew the shit out of an entire nation twice in my lifetime, dropped the mother of all bombs in "surgical" raids and in the process killed, maimed,burnedand paralyzed a lot of innocent people. Those were not pretty pictures either. But you never forced anyone to look at those. Personally So I guess throwing the baby out with the bath water is just another type of surgery to save a:our democracy b: our freedom c:a mother's life
WTF, there is nor argument here.

Posting bloody abortion pictures as an argument against abortion is like posting pictures of open heart surgery as an argument against by passes.[/b][/quote]
hooray!
your FIRST intelligent post!

hooray!
your FIRST intelligent post![/b][/quote]
wrong again comrade....just the first one simple enough for you to follow. BTW, congrats on GFY. Quite a splash. When do I get my raise. I want to be a Russian millionaire myself someday. I still have my CCCP driving license. That should get me in the door. BTW, rumour has it you are not a real russky but a Ukranian. You guys make nice easter eggs.

hooray!
your FIRST intelligent post![/b][/quote]
Except that he quoted me, and I have posted no pictures. :unsure:

Except that he quoted me, and I have posted no pictures. :unsure:[/b][/quote]
Duh...you lose dude. BTW, get a decent avatar, or just no avatar at all.

Ewan MacGregor naked you say? ON MY WAY!![/b][/quote]

Yeah full frontal and a number of different times in the movie. He is my kind of guy! Love his free spirit! I could just eat him up!