This one's for Dan. 1979 (12-0) Alabama.

67 points given up in 12 games. 5 shutouts.

Colin, we put in mass subs in every game
you deal with statistics
statistics lie
put on your tv
and watch the D Saturday

espn.com
Red River Shootout
The oddsmakers have not been able to figure out this rivalry. Until this game, Mack Brown's side has been expected to win each year, but lost the last three. Finally, Oklahoma is the favorite. That's a pretty easy call, actually.


Bob Stoops says this is the best Oklahoma team he's coached.
There's something of a myth at work here. Some fans want to believe that Texas has a huge edge in number of thoroughbreds in the stable and that, somehow, the scrappy OU overachievers just find ways to win. Nonsense. OU has phenomenal talent all the way down the defensive two deep. Texas has had great offensive skill people the last few years and sent tackles like Leonard Davis and Mike Williams to the NFL. But OU hasn't exactly had backs and receivers off the scrap heap.

Bob Stoops rarely blows smoke and is not often unguarded in his rhetoric. So take note when he says THIS is his best OU team. That would include the 2000 national title team that waxed Texas, 63-14. There's no reason to doubt Stoops. The Sooners have a more complete, versatile offense than the one that limped down the stretch three years ago.

The defense is now without two excellent linebackers, with Pasha Jackson joining surgery case Lance Mitchell on the sidelines for a couple of weeks with a sprained MCL. That'll hurt, no doubt. But the offensive line from Texas I watched up close last weekend will have some serious trouble with Tommie Harris and the Sooners' front.

Mack Brown has a problem: using Vince Young may spark the offense and give provide better mobility, but it also lessens the potential value of Roy Williams. Young is not yet an accomplished passer. With him running the show, receivers become blockers more than catchers. Williams said as much this week. Young is a special option quarterback, though, the kind that can turn the corner and lean forward for five yards before you know what's hit you and he can also take it 60 yards to the house.

Chance Mock is the guy with the better mastery of the passing game, but will he be able to deliver before he's buried? The defensive tackles of Kansas State caused big trouble for UT and they're not in Harris' class. At times, the Horns second offensive line looked more physical and inspired last Saturday as they rotated in during Young's early series.

I see trouble for Texas Saturday.

These are hardly statistics meant to confuse matters. It's just a list of points given up in games. ;-)

There's a problem with what you're saying. Your claiming that something is "the best" at something while ignoring all the competition. "The best" by definition means better than all other competitors. And how many of the great defenses of the past few decades can you name that you "watched on tv" and why are they all not as good as OK in your opinion?

How do you think a team that only gave up 20 points once and shutout the #1 offense in the nation looked on TV? Fortunately I remember. Needless to say a team that only surrendered 20 points once in an entire season is going to look pretty amazing.

Any team blowing out their opponents has lots of subs. That's not just in OK. ;-)

I'd like to point to a team other than my own favorite though because I know what bias can do - which evidently has you in its grip. ;-) Unfortunately, I don't know a team that performed better defensively than the '91 Canes from the past 2 decades. Maybe there is one. Assuming that players get bigger, better, and faster and that defensive strategy improves there should be a cut-off point going back. Maybe a fair benchmark is to look at teams recent enough that there is still NFL talent that was playing in those years. Otherwise someone could go back and look at Yale in 1888, a team that didn't give up a single point for an entire year. Oh, Walter Camp.

You've watched enough TV over the years to judge a team as "best defense ever" and are willing to do it based on 5 games played against teams with average offenses? Texas is one of the top offenses in the country. I'd say shutting them out would be equivalent to the '91 Miami defense's accomplishment against the #1 offense at the time, Nebraska. You don't need statistics to know that holding the #1 offense in the nation to 0 points is a sign of greatness.

I'll give you another team I think has a better D. 1987 Oklahoma.



Last edited by Colin at Oct 10 2003, 09:09 AM

Oh,and not trying to "dis" Oklahoma. They are possibly the best team this year but that's not entirely clear yet. They're very talented. Most of the top teams haven't played much of a schedule at all yet though. Everyone is fairly untested.

Until someone beats the Buckeyes they're number one in my book.



Last edited by Colin at Oct 10 2003, 09:17 AM

oh the memories, 20 years old in New orleans for new years and the sugar bowl :bdance: :bjump: :cdance:

colin, the '92 D was pretty special ( I know YOU remember that one;)

oh the memories, 20 years old in New orleans for new years and the sugar bowl :bdance: :bjump: :cdance:

colin, the '92 D was pretty special ( I know YOU remember that one;)[/b][/quote]
Definitely! I remember 87 Oklahoma too (88 Orange Bowl).

In chronological order, the best I've seen so far statistically (1980-present)

1987 Oklahoma
1991 Miami
1992 Alabama



Last edited by Colin at Oct 10 2003, 10:17 AM

did I say ever
oops
I mean best D this century
hee hee
I think our 1st string D hasn't given up too many points
I know we allow td's on special teams
and interception return
that how Iowa State scored
we got 2 LB out
hmmm
I hope that Texas frosh don't start running around
we might not catch him
prediction
OU 34
Texas 10



Last edited by Meni at Oct 10 2003, 11:07 AM

OU rolls here no problem. Hooper you shoulda taken the points, but it probably wouldn't matter as the LongHorns are going to get blown out. At least you get to enjoy your loss and go hunting :nyanya:

Here's some interesteing reading for ya

http://covers.com/data/ncf/game/g8_11000.html

http://covers.com/post01/showmessage.asp?s...87&ur=142370433

OK my prediction was off
65-13 boomer sooner
we roll over Texas
bring on the cane's

OU looked pretty damn impressive....

Great defense. Dynamic offense. I cannot see anyone beating them, not even Miami or OSU.

a while back i got to sit in the stands one sunny saturday afternoon in lawrence and watched oklahoma lay a similar pasting on the jayhawks.

that never fails to bring out the most repeated phrase ever by KU fans:

just wait until basketball season :)

rock chalk jayhawk KU

Too bad Roy went back home....

Oklahoma looked crazy good. All around.

While Oklahoma has maybe their best team ever this is just a rebuilding year for Miami having 4 players go to the NFL in the first round alone. I didn't expect much this year with the departure of Dorsey, McGahee, and Andre Johnson but glad they're playing well.

OSU trailing Wisconsin 7-3. Almost half-time. Will OSU pull off another close one?

what a pathetic loss. i'll give ou that they played well. good solid football. but their real secret weapon was us!!! our own turnovers fucked us ONCE AGAIN :-(

Big 12 is tough. We still have to play at Colorado, and at Texas Tech. Not to menion BIG 12 title game (which happens to be during my rehersal dinner). But, I plan to be in NO for new years, and the Sugar Bowl.

Mizzou is riding HIGH after beating Nebraska
gee fake FG
remember Stoops pulled that out last year at Mizzou, to win the game
hee hee
all long as the boys focus each week
don't look ahead
we should be fine
OSU (OK STATE) has quietly gone undefeated since the week 1 lose to Nebraska
and we know about OSU giving us fits
hmmm

Colin, how about OU? we lost Quentin our leading rusher, our starting QB, in fact
we lost the top 4 all time OU recievers last year.
but we aren't rebuilding I think we have 9 or 10 returning starts on D

We have an oral commitment, (insert joke here) from Rhett Bomar
Texas HS QB ranked number 1 on rivals.com
:bjump:

Hmmmm ... next week's game just got a lot more interesting.

Edited to add ... I just looked it up, and I was at the last game when Missouri defeated Nebraska in Columbia.

And I was a fucking student.

Yes, muthafukas, they wore helmets ... leather, but :D



Last edited by PornoDoggy at Oct 12 2003, 01:11 AM

Yeah, but Oklahoma has the easiest schedule left of any of the top teams (not counting the title game anyway). Who is that likely to be against?

They look awesome.

colin i beg to differ
hmmm
are you looking at records of the future opponents?
we got
Mizzou 5 - 1
@ Colorado 3- 3
OK State 5 - 1
Texas A&M (me and brad going) 3 - 3
Baylor 3 - 3
@ Texas Tech 5 - 1
Big 12 Championship Mizzou/Neb/Kansas 4 - 2

Miami's schedule tougher?
the pussy big east?
I think our future opps have a better record
1 less loss?
and Big 12 is much harder than pussy big east
puh lease
hee hee :D

Ah Ohio State lost, I couldn't be happier this weekend.

I'm so tempted to start betting online
I predicted the over in the Texas Tech game last week
this week
Mizzou plus pts
and Wisconsin plus pts
but i never opened an account with a site
should I?
does anyone bet online?

You have what's called "regional bias". None of those teams are even in the top 20. I'm looking at rankings of the teams. Just to start with Miami plays AT #3 Virginia Tech in a few weeks.

I know Texas A&M/Oklahoma is a big game in your part of the country but Texas A&M is not even on the radar screen in the rankings. Just because Colorado won some games in the 80's doesn't make them a good team now. Colorado got destroyed this year by Florida State, Washington State, and Baylor of all teams. And just because you choked last year againt *cough* unranked in-state rival Oklahoma State doesn't mean they are any good.

All that being said, I think Oklahoma has by far the best team in the country this year.

Grimm knows betting. He's a pro. Talk to him ;-)

darling colin
I see the top 25
Texas Tech
OK State
Missouri just missed it
and don't forget the big 12 championship we have to play
i hope we get the canes in the sugar bowl
it'll be worse that OU FSU
remember that game?

None of those teams were even in the top 25 when I posted Saturday ;-)
Now that they just barely made it to the promised land after the new polls came out ... there ya are. ;-)

Yeah, I hope we get to the Sugar Bowl too but I honestly don't think we have the offensive talent to go undefeated this year. Brock Berlin is going to lose us a game somewhere. The offense isn't scoring. Winning with defensive TDs, kick returns, blocked kicks. Not the kind of stuff that will usually get ya undefeated. Will probably lose to VTech.

But we are 40-1 our last 41 games. History in the making. I wonder if a team has ever done that before (?)

I had to post to this thread, being i'm a huge CANES fan.............Colin i agree, we probably will lost to VT, unless Berlin has a huge game!

Bud Wilkerson steered OU to, 48 or 49 in 0
so sorry, No
hee hee
brock is what?
1 td/1 int ratio
good LUCK boys
and I thin VT is overratted
who did they play?
the Big East is great
for BASEKETBALL hee hee
I just took my caffiene
i'm hyped
we are hanging half a hundred the past 4 games
oh lordy oh lordy
me and Brad, 50 yard line, Sugar Bowl
holding hands, open gay relationship
hee hee

Yeah, and losing our best hope on offense this year, our starting running back, for the rest of the season is not better.

Yeah, and losing our best hope on offense this year, our starting running back, for the rest of the season is not better.[/b][/quote]
Yes, that was a huge blow to the offense..........We need Winslow to catch 10 balls a game :)

Bud Wilkerson? That was so long ago that we hadn't landed on the moon yet and Bart Starr was still in high school. No kidding.

Probably right on the Big East. Miami, Virginia Tech, and Boston College are all moving to the ACC next year. UM, VT, and FSU will make for a powerhouse conference.

Oh, yeah. BUT, the Big East has produced 25% of all national champions the past two decades *wink wink*

Yes, that was a huge blow to the offense..........We need Winslow to catch 10 balls a game :)[/b][/quote]
Yeah. He's fast, mean, has great hands. and can block. All around great player. I was a big fan of his father's back when he played for the Chargers.

Some of those younger receivers are running bad routes, Parrish is in the hospital, The O-line is patched together, Beard didn't catch a pass. This is a patch-work team for us. We took a hit at every offensive position except Tight End this year. All that being said, we're still just one of just a few undefeated teams. Coker doesn't get enough credit. People look at all the talent he has and thinks anyone would be 21-1. I doubt it. He's an excellent coach and finds a way to win even when the team is as maligned as it is.

As long as the defense stays healthy, we might have a chance at going undefeated.

"took"? :unsure:

We're probably ok if we get past V Tech. Last year's game was a blast. I was at that game.

We're probably ok if we get past V Tech. Last year's game was a blast. I was at that game.[/b][/quote]
Yeah, if we make it past VT...........this season could get interesting :bdance:

Meni,

Now you've done it. If you guys choke you will never hear the end of it from me ;-) ;-)

Seperation Saturday II is Nov 1
Canes visit VT
OK St comes to Norman
whats the odds 1 or 2 will fall
colin get your calc



Last edited by Meni at Oct 13 2003, 10:31 AM

About 50% Miami falls at VTech.
About 10% Oklahoma falls.

Which means about 55% chance that one or the other will fall.

shit Miami might be the road dog at VT huh
second time a dog in one season
holy shit

OK State lost in week 1 to Nebraska
but quitely has gone undefeated since
and Josh Fields is the only drop back passer in recent memory
to be successful vs OU
hey we lost 2 all american, ( think pasha is all american, maybe not)
LBs
Pasha should be back
so what did stoops and the boys do?
fuck thet 4-3
we played 4-2-5
and brought up Nicholson to the line
we are famous for kick ass safetys
fuck famous for kick ass D

Yup, probably a dog at VTech.

Yeah, OK State quietly beat up on SW Missouri St, SMU, and LA Lafayette. Their offense is good but that will be nullified by a great Oklahoma D. Their defense is probably just average (the single digit games against above three powerhouses exempted).

Very true that VTech hasn't played anyone yet. Pathetic schedule so far.
Last year they started out great and then choked down the stretch. This VTech team looks a little better. We'll see. Maybe they are overrated.