Yeah I guess I was a little naive in believing you could come to a semi logical conclusion. My bad.

Hey jackass, note the fucking Sufi reference. Sufi = Muslim mystics.

Now quick go find me some militant sufis that want to destroy America.

Regardless, I have class till 9 pm tonight so take your time slappy.



Last edited by [Labret] at Sep 15 2003, 11:49 AM

There are militant members of Islam in France, in England, and in the United States.

That does NOT mean that all of those who practice that faith subscribe to the violent teachings of the funamentalists, any more than the actions of the "Christian" fundamentalists who kill abortion doctors can be used to charactrerize the beliefs of all Christians.

Sufi suicide bomber: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Colum...,949208,00.html

Anything else, moron?

You are an idiot of astounding proportions.

"who was once Sufi"

Fucking read your own article jackass instead of jacking the first thing that pops up in google. Fucking google scholar. I am arguing with a god damn search engine.

Find me some god damned organized Sufi hate smacktard. Not a lone wacko that used to belong to a group.



Last edited by [Labret] at Sep 15 2003, 11:56 AM

Yes, Lot, you can find 10 good Muslims. Of that I have no doubt. Hell, 100 good Muslims. 1000 even. Maybe 10,000. 100,000? Out of what though, 1 billion?

The vast majority of muslims live under theocratic regimes and support the use of terrorism to fight the west.

People can deny this if they wish, but it's true.

You are an idiot of astounding proportions.

"who was once Sufi"

Fucking read your own article jackass instead of jacking the first thing that pops up in google. Fucking google scholar. I am arguing with a god damn search engine.

Find me some god damned organized Sufi hate smacktard. Not a lone wacko that used to belong to a group.[/b][/quote]
Obviously preaching peace to Muslims doesn't take.

Now wait just a durn second there...............

I did not say, or imply that the only non-militant muslims are in the U.S....

and even the most unreasonable person would have to admit that if even the majority of the estimated 1 billion muslims in the world could be considered militant, then we would be in a lot bigger trouble then we are.

The truth is that a small population of Muslims want to force Isalam down the rest of the world's throats, just as a small population of Christians want to force Christianity down the world's throat.

The vast majority of the world's population are content to believe what they choose to believe and feel that they will have the last laugh in heaven.

In the South Park movie, everybody dying was going to hell because they had the wrong religion. When someone asked, "well what was the right one", they were informed that it was the Mormons......

What the fuck is Isalam?

Sorry, just had to point it out before Buffy discredited you and insinuated you cant spell because you love scat porn and were sodomized by a Japanese man when you were 9, instead of addressing the issue at hand.

But other than that I just have to say take your common sense and stick it in your ass communist. Go eat some falafel and pray towards Mecca Akbar.



Last edited by [Labret] at Sep 15 2003, 12:06 PM

Buff, I'm not going to bite and play a numbers game with you.

Yes, there is a very real threat from Islamic fundamentalists. I don't think that all subscribe to that brand of Islam. You take the simple-minded approach. Not suprising, actually; - it is easier as it deesn't require anything complex, like thought. There are a lot of people who share your approach today - some of them because they are incapable of thought, some of them because it fits very well into whatever particular agenda they are trying to push forward.

The biggest problem I have is that putting something as simple-minded as your point of view into action as policy is the wet dream of the Islamic fundamentalists. Folks like you want us to become the most effective recruiter they have.

Pushaw! Everyone knows that cracking down on entire religious groups has the desired effect.

Look what it did to curb that pesky Christian problem in Rome. Perscuting those Mormons in the early days taught them a lesson. Those god damn Dutch reformers got their asses handed to them, now where are they? And the Jew problem, dont even get me started. Thank God Hitler got that problem under control.

PD:

Look, I would agree with you if you said something like...

"Most leftists are basically good people who are simply misguided. It's only the fringe like the ELF Greenies, or the NAMBLAites, or the race-baiters, or the radical atheists who really mean to be malicious."

I can agree with that, because I believe it to be true -- most leftists are leftists by default: they never learned economics, and they think central planning is a viable means of sustaining human existence.

But Islam is not similar. Have you ever seen the polls in Saudi Arabia or Egypt? They DESPISE us (and sometimes rightfully so). They also despise the rest of the world which is not under the Sharia. And we're not talking about a radical fringe. We're talking about your average Mo. He thinks the West is evil and that as long as the West is allowed to exist as is, Allah will be pissed.

Now, the more Westernized Muslims tend to be more peaceful and less radical. Your average Iranian hates his rulers. I concede this. Your average Muslim Turk is pretty well integrated into the 21st century, intellectually.

But go down the list: Palestine, Jordan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, and Yemen (I'll leave out the conflicts due as much in part to regional issues as religion -- Chechnya, Indonesia, etc.) -- these are very bellicose people. The empirical evidence speaks for itself.



Last edited by Buff at Sep 15 2003, 02:26 PM

[labret] rules. i dont agree with a lot of his views but his presence and continued posting will definately mark the decline of flag waving on Oprano.
:o

Not from me!

:salute: :salute: :salute:

Labret is just the inverse of PD. A quasi-wanna-be-intellectual who beleives in National Socialism...

Most America haters are the same.... its pretty boring actually.

Now that's odd ... I personally think you have a lot more in common with the [labret]zinfuerher than I do.

But then, you are obviously delusional. You seem to think I'm an America hater.

Not from me!

:salute: :salute: :salute:

Labret is just the inverse of PD. A quasi-wanna-be-intellectual who beleives in National Socialism...

Most America haters are the same.... its pretty boring actually.[/b][/quote]

You stupid bitch, I dont hate America, I hate "Americans". I am not surprised your ignorant ass cannot seperate the two. What you and your ignorant ilk have turned this country into is not what the founding fathers had in mind, nor what my forefathers fought for. I am not here to stop flag wavers, the only cure for a flag waver is an education. I will simply point out how you are an ignorant bitch each and everytime you attempt to make an argument. So preach on nigger, you are gonna be my pet project.

National Socialism, you wouldnt know what National Socialism was if Hitler stuck his dick in your ass. If there is anything I hate, its a dumbfuck using buzzwords. So go ahead slapdick, point out how I am a "National Socialist".

Uhhh ... [labert], aren't you the guy who likes to post "proof" of the Jewish conspiracy to dominate the media?

If it looks like a duck ... :rolleyes:

You stupid bitch, I dont hate America, I hate "Americans". I am not surprised your ignorant ass cannot seperate the two. What you and your ignorant ilk have turned this country into is not what the founding fathers had in mind, nor what my forefathers fought for. I am not here to stop flag wavers, the only cure for a flag waver is an education. I will simply point out how you are an ignorant bitch each and everytime you attempt to make an argument. So preach on nigger, you are gonna be my pet project.

National Socialism, you wouldnt know what National Socialism was if Hitler stuck his dick in your ass. If there is anything I hate, its a dumbfuck using buzzwords. So go ahead slapdick, point out how I am a "National Socialist".[/b][/quote]


:zzz: :zzz:

How do seperate American and Americans? Do you make these things up yourself? They both define one another....

To be VERY accurate - there is no America country wise... America is a continent, a land mass - North, Central, South - the Country you have disdain for is the United States of America. You cannot like a country but not its people...

You have a lot of hatred.... You need to spend some time watching Oprah and Dr. Phil... I think they can help!

First, even if I did post something that showed there was an over abundance of Jews in the media, what the fuck does that have to do with National Socialism?

Last time I checked, National Socialism was an ideology independent of race and or ethnicity. Case in point, this is the homepage of some Japanese National Socialists While Hitler made it famous, it would be like saying you can only be a communist if you are Russian.

Is that how you jackasses see National Socialism?

Rule #1: Hate Jews.

Yup, thats it, National Socialism in a nutshell. As if the Nazi version of National Socialism was the only ideology that disliked Jews. Muslims have hated them, Christians hated them, Communists hated them. Whats this kneejerk reaction to call someone a Nazi because they dislike Jews? Simply nothing more than the sheeple proving my point.

Seriously, cmon now.



Last edited by [Labret] at Sep 15 2003, 02:46 PM

Fuck me we are gonna play a semantics game uh?


I almost just want to let that one stand alone. Like a beacon of retardation against the night sky.

I love England. I love the history, the environment, the weather. The people, suck. I used to live in Finland. The country itself, beautiful. The people, suck. I would love to visit Israel just for the history, but I would rather see a Zionist die in a bus bombing than anything else I can think of. Catch my drift Corky?

Do you think fat lazy fucking redneck Americans embody the soul of this country? Do ex sorority girl soccer moms in their SUVs embody the American Spirit? I live in Detroit when not in school. Do the masses of poor niggers sucking the welfare system dry embody the Spirit of this great nation?

Fuck all you fat consumer pieces of shit. Your forefathers didnt fight so you idiot fuckers could sit around fat and lazy, cultureless, ignorant of your own history.

I bet you couldnt pass a basic highschool US history test. If you cant they should revoke your fucking citizenship. You abused the privilege.

Ahh yes, true help comes from the TV doesnt it? Just more proof.



Last edited by [Labret] at Sep 15 2003, 03:06 PM

Labret, we need to start off on square one. Is there any group of people you DO like? Do admire? Do respect? People who are alive today - not history.

Sure it would be nice to have a country where rugged individualism is rewarded, and the federal gov't does not butt into every aspect of ones life - but that is no longer reality. Since the Civil War the 10th Amendment has been ignored.

But we have to deal with reality, the situation we live in now, not some fantasy land.... Maybe you can buy some land up in Idaho and start your own country, with like minded people. Just watch out for Janet Reno.... :D

Oh and the part about TV was humor, if you would relax a little, maybe you would have caught that.... Only thing I watch regularly on TV is sporting events which are fed to me by the zionist corporations to keep the masses amused....

that and porn from time to time....

Not from me!

:salute: :salute: :salute:

Labret is just the inverse of PD. A quasi-wanna-be-intellectual who beleives in National Socialism...

Most America haters are the same.... its pretty boring actually.[/b][/quote]
Flag waving is for brainwashed morons with no capacity for independent thought.

If Labret is a 'quasi-wannabe intellectual' then what does that make you exactly? :blink:



Last edited by Joe Sixpack at Sep 15 2003, 03:57 PM

I bet it's a public school.........




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Sorry, I cannot stay on the sidelines on this one...

Mike, considering that Buff has posted his hatred of Islam, Canadians, and apparently a few other things I haven't bothered to read, I suspect that it is he that has a little too much hatred to go around.

I think he should count himself lucky to make his money with his small head rather than the contents of his big one.

Alex

Flag waving is for brainwashed morons.

If Labret is a 'quasi-wannabe intellectual' then what does that make you?[/b][/quote]


People who think flag waving is for morons are usually brain washed communists who trot out the same lame quotes about patriotism.

I am a proud Patriot, and if this makes me a moron in your world, I am happy to take the title.

It is better then being an angry surf who hates and insults everything...

Funny thing is I have yet to see what you do stand for J6P.... it is easy to spew out hate, and insults....

:salute: :salute: :salute:

The USA is far from perfect, but it sucks much less then any other place on earth.... No other Nation can match the economic freedom we have... which is the engine that runs the world.

US is at the top, and will be way past you lifetime... So get over it...

And before you spout off I have never left the States - you will have to do better... I am well traveled.

Alex is your issue with Buff or with me?

I have no problem with Islam or Canadiens in general....

I do think all islamic terrorist ( fundamentalist ) should be wiped off the planet.

I also think Canada is a 4th rate power, with some issues with its brother to the South.... but that is what happens when you do not for Independence and stay a colony of another country for so long....

I do dig Canadien women!!

:rokk:

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Flag waving for any person in any country. It is no different then holding up a sign in support during a demonstration or yelling YeeHawwwww at the top of your lungs at a concert...

It is showing your feelings towards something........

Hmm ... so patriotism and belief in a cause is the same as being a big fan of [insert favorite music group here]? :blink:

The sad thing is, for some people there is no difference. They trot out a few memorized lines and consider it patriotism, the same way members of some religions trot out a few lines from the catecism and call it faith.

I am every bit the patriotic American that Mike is, no matter what Ann Coulter or Rush Limbaugh tell him to "think", and I use the term very loosely. Gimme a break - if the irony of saying "the same lame quotes" in the same sentence as "brain washed communists" was deliberate, it would be downright clever.

Mike, I don't have any issue with your views one way or another, except to say that when you say someone has a lot of hate, I think that you need to look closely at Buff's posts as well... there is alot of hate there.

Buff's outbursts smack of ignorance, racism, broad brush type casting, and a serious ditto head mentality.

As I said, he should consider himself lucky that he makes his money fucking.

Alex

Alex... there is no hate baby.... for you to say that I have hate in me is ignorant. You are trying to base this opinion on some posts I make on the webmaster boards??



PD - I have been Conservative since birth.... way before Rush or Ann were public stars. I know you have a hard time comprehending this, but I develop my own ideas... I base them on my personal experiences and the knowledge and wisdom I have picked up over the years.

In my opinion Ann and Rush have come to MY way of thinking.... :-)

I like them both, mostly as entertainers.... they both play their public roles very well, and I think they are both VERY funny. But I also think Moore and Franken are funny as well.... I just do not agree with what they are saying, but its still funny!!

I know its easier to paint people like me as a hater, who has no sense of humor.... but that stereotype does not apply to me...

So stick it on someone else....

:salute: :salute:

Mikey ... how come you have such a hard time understanding that others develop their own ideas based them on personal experiences and the knowledge and wisdom picked up over the years - and they don't always agree with yours?

If, as I believe you have posted, you subscribe to the opinion that liberals are not patriotic Americans but instead believers in some foreign ideaology - then buddy, you are a hater.

No PD, I think SOME liberals are not patriotic.... there are some liberals who are indeed patriotic!

My #1 issue with liberals is on Foreign Policy - especially now. We used to have the understanding that dissagreements end at the waters endge.... Not any longer, and this is from BOTH parties!

Economic issues, labor issues, social programs, etc.... these are all legitimate issues to have debates and disagreements on. But when it comes to WAR, foreign conflict, one that we did not want, or start - well I think we need to work together.

Too bad that most dems do not see this and use it as a way to demagouge Bush....

PD I may dissagree with you, but I do not think you are unpatriotic....

Mike, READ CLOSELY:

I DIDN'T SAY YOU HAD ANY HATE. I DIDN'T COMMENT ON YOUR FEELINGS AT ALL! You said about someone else's posts: "You have a lot of hatred.... You need to spend some time watching Oprah and Dr. Phil... I think they can help!" I said "I think that you need to look closely at Buff's posts as well... there is alot of hate there."

Quote me if you can where I said you are a hater of any sort. I didn't.

Alex

PS: 3 posts from me. New record. Enough.

I don't care what any of you say. I have a lot of hate. You can nuke the Middle East as far as I'm concerned. It's time to take on and defeat Islam in one final crusade.

Did not want?

Did not start?

Are you joking? :blink:

bunch of fucking word twisters running tonight....dammit.... :yowsa:

I did not equate flag waving to patriotism...and I never will...

Joe, Serge left the board, time to take over

HAHA Alex I was just baiting you into more posts!!

Good to see you around. :D

Did not want?

Did not start?

Are you joking? :blink:[/b][/quote]
Did I misstype?

Did I misstype?[/b][/quote]
Oh ok then... you're obviously delusional.

Glad we got that sorted out.

Oh ok then... you're obviously delusional.

Glad we got that sorted out.[/b][/quote]


Being labeled dilusional by you is a good thing! thanks!

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