Brad you do know that like 30-50% of checks bounce.

So much fraud in checks makes credit cards look like like a sweet option.

next option? dialers? ya charging the surfer $1.99-$4.99 a minute is gonna last long term.[/b][/quote]
Dave,

Don't shit on a brother on his new venture, most new dialer programs are much more in-line with accurate per-minute charges, with the highest countires topping out at less than $2.00 per minute. Micro-processing (dialer more commonly known) is definetly the wave of the future, and it doesn't rule out broadband either. The ability to charge surfers for what they access makes it very hard to chargeback, and micro-processing is one thing that solves this problem.

I wasn't commenting on ALL sponsors... just that SOME may see it as an opportunity to squeeze extra margin out of their webmasters under the cover of the recent changes.... and that those programs would likely feel the result of that with a smaller portion of the traffic pie than they had before.

I could not agree more!

B)

Dave,

Don't shit on a brother on his new venture, most new dialer programs are much more in-line with accurate per-minute charges, with the highest countires topping out at less than $2.00 per minute. Micro-processing (dialer more commonly known) is definetly the wave of the future, and it doesn't rule out broadband either. The ability to charge surfers for what they access makes it very hard to chargeback, and micro-processing is one thing that solves this problem.[/b][/quote]
There are those who never took advantage of free trials with their long-term recurring traffic.....that traffic won't see what they were missing...no disadvantage....

And there are those who never took advantage of dialers....

To those happy folks....this could be an interesting time....

Either way....it should be fascinating.... :ph34r:

Darwin... 'nuff said....

Nice to see some balls on the plate out here.....very manly...

in the game we call "internet adult entertaintment business"
the one who dies last - wins
;-)

The more i think aboout it the better this becomes for quality live feed companies

our payouts should stay the same, the webmasters make the same money with us, and our customers have more money to burn on the per minute feeds

Looks good all around for us!!!

:agrin:

why am I not surprised marc

You are truly an industry innovator



Last edited by Forest at Jul 11 2003, 05:33 AM

Forest, I had a guy say this the other night in my chat:

"Oh, why did SHE have to be on tonight? I could have just spanked it to porn"

hahaha

Sabby:)

Forest, I had a guy say this the other night in my chat:

"Oh, why did SHE have to be on tonight? I could have just spanked it to porn"

hahaha

Sabby:)[/b][/quote]
sabby

the BEST part of live feed is that it is truely On demand

U cant get THAT specific content anywhere esle but with that girl

and soo many guys get hooked emotionaly to you girls send you gifts, money, ect. ect.

Emotions then play a part with our sales where with paysites and video its strcitly a physical need

emotions keep them comming back gain and again

I cant tell you how many customers my girls have that take them private for an hour and NEVER ask them to take a peice of clothing off

They just sit and chat about their day, dreams, love,

and the gifts they buy from the online store. $200 perfume, $175 breakfast in bed, $100 worth of toys

GOD BLESS LIVE FEEDS and guys in LOVE!!!!

:inlove: :rokk:

Hey how come I never get those guys that just want to chat?


Sabby:)

cause your too fucking HOT!!!

:P :wnw:

I get all the really WEIRD ones.

Sabby:)

sweety you know why right?

cause you will do just about anything!!!!!
:rokk: :wnw: :rokk:

you make sooo much more than the average model on that site for that verry reason

wish you worked for me

LOL

My favorite is the small penis guy that comes in all the time and just wants me to make fun of him and laugh at his tiny little dick.

Me and him have a GREAT time together!!!

Sabby:)

I commend them all too...

Anyone got URL's for the program's we aren't commending please? :matey:

I commend them all too...

Anyone got URL's for the program's we aren't commending please? :matey:[/b][/quote]
:okthumb:

I commend them all too...

Anyone got URL's for the program's we aren't commending please? :matey:[/b][/quote]
Not sure that this is much help to the problem. Basically what's gonna happen is the last ones holding their payouts up high will be the first ones to be but on the Visa TMF list. Once this happens whatever higher % you were making weather it be 10-15% more with them you can kiss goodbye as they'll be out of biz.

Don't view the drop in credit card processor payments as a bad thing, programs will continue to innovate and find ways to put more money in your pocket and their pocket, just expect the days of $40 payouts to go bye bye, if the top dogs in the industry are at 28-30 I'd be suprised as I expect this number to be closer to 23-$26 per credit card signup realistically. Will there still be people at $40 per signup? Yeah probably, but I don't trust em with my money. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

hehe if for nothing else, you gotta love FM for seeing an opportunity

How about sponsors who are going to innovate and find/use new billing methods rather than pat each other on the back for lowering payouts.

And there is a lot of webmasters with lots of "infa-structure" built around free pass signups..

Wonder who wants this business .. and thinks they can stay in biz :-)

(damn was it only less than 12 months ago we were copping $70 a free trial signup???)

For once I agree 100% with you Mike. FINALLY we are seeing per-signup payouts going down instead of up. It's going to force everyone to play on a fair level with everyone else. Shadiness is about to get a little sunlight.

Revshare programs are about to see more money in their pockets too.

People will still offer $40 - $45 sales... and they will prance around, an say look at me, I am a player and paying out this much....

I have one word that sums this up: GILETTE!

The sad this is many webmasters will fall for it.

This is the bullshit they will feed people like Monk, and claim to be paying him $40 cause they have innovated new income streams, yadda, yadda, but what that really will be doing is realying on the Mach III - and there will be webmasters who will just smile, and post praises of these people....

Will be funny to watch..... Webmasters will want to relive the glory days, the drunken orgy where it was a free for all.... Those days are over. It is time for everyone to sober up, and realize the industry will not last to long if we keep shafting the surfer ( our customer).

Gimme two weeks, it's almost done :)

Evil Chris, I have been waiting for this day to come for almost 7 years now... I had originally hoped and an industry we would figure out we have to grow up and stop playing games. Stop cramming surfers credit cards, stop slamming them on dialers, stop misleading customers....

But it never happened, thus VISA had to step in....

The cockholsters are going to hopefully reform, or be put out of business!!!

This is a new dawn for this industry.... and I am EXTREMELY excited!!

Word playa! :P

MikeAI,

It will be obvious if new billing solutions are implemented or not.

Also, I send my traffic where it makes the most money. PERIOD. Wherever, my traffic garners the biggest cheque is where it will end up.

I don't have to decide whether I should believe one sponsor's bullshit about why they don't have to reduce payout rates or another sponsr's bullshit about why they do.

Gimme two weeks, it's almost done :)[/b][/quote]
SEE!! Now there's a guy making lemonade with his lemons!!

I've been looking into pay per download, billed via SMS,
this seems to be working well for some people.

Finally managed to get nearly the whole of Europe covered.

Of course Monk, and you have enough experience to track this and really know what each click is making. However, there are many webmasters who will see $45 a signup and will rush over and send traffic. Shaving has become a pretty sophisticated science....

"This is the bullshit they will feed people like Monk"


Forgive me for my confusion. :stout:

HAHA No confusion Monk.... they will feed it to you, its up to you to beleive it or not. I would like to think you have been around the block enough, you know what is hype, and what is reality....

But if you are clammering for people to innovate, and keep payouts high, you will be the prime target of the bullshit.

It is still early in the morning for me, so I may not be being as suscint as I normally am! <_<

Is there such a beast as a dialer system to make a one off charge rather than timed based?

ie: ring this number and type the code you hear into this login box.. and the surfer is charged $29.99 for the month?

I thought Aga was doing something like this?

You've got 1 off monthly charges for the US and Germany.

With countries that use SMS you can make someone send multiple messages to the value of whatever you want, ARS does it with UK traffic for a daily trial, you have to send 3 SMS messages.

SMS type billing sounds like the credit card companies biggest potential competitor for online business.

Having to send 3 messages isn't quite "there" yet though :\

One issue I don't really understand with dialers/sms is that they provide a way to bill but don't have the built in "age verification" of a CC..

I dont think this is a big bright shiny day for revshare programs as some people think.

Webmasters like things to be simple and revshare just isnt as simple as knowing that you earn x number of dollars for each new customer you send.

I do think that membres areas will see a significant improvement however.

sms is such a cool feature but right now imho it's still in it's infancy. I can only bill a buck at a time (or a pound or euro or whatever that is) which to me is hardly worth it.

You know what's simple? How I receive my CCBill cheque weekly without fail from all of the collective revshare programs I send to.

I check the numbers a couple times a month, and have yet to find a significant problem. I do believe it is a good thing for revshare programs.

Hooper,

With Aga's system you can multi message bill, not sure if there's a limit.


It's opening up a new market to you though, alot of Euro and Asian countries that can't/won't use CC's and dialers.

You can use it to bill a pay per view system, easiest way to target different languages aswell.
No need for billing/member support as its a one time download fee.

I never thought the day would come either EvilChris, but I also agree with MikeAI's thoughts and opinions on all of this
:biglaugh:

As I kept reading these posts, I was saying "Why do I keep agreeing with Mike? Weird"

Deep down I guess I always knew he was right hehe :)

For once I agree 100% with you Mike. FINALLY we are seeing per-signup payouts going down instead of up. It's going to force everyone to play on a fair level with everyone else. Shadiness is about to get a little sunlight.

Revshare programs are about to see more money in their pockets too.[/b][/quote]
Chris, people are not going to play on the same field. Python and CE have already said they are not lowering payouts. They both have beeen around the block with CC companies many times, and know how to play the merchant account game well.