that sounds a lot like a threat! :zoinks:

that sounds a lot like a threat! :zoinks:[/b][/quote]
no threats.
just the truth.

Wouldn't that be bitter ex-wife and ex-partner convention? :D

TTH - Could you tell me what a Forensic Auditor is and how it effects the man you defend? ( as an anon)

:biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

I'm not here to defend anyone.
Ron is more than capable of taking care of himself.
I'm just calling bullshit on all the fucking hypocrites that jump on his ass with every single move he makes.

And, for the record, I've been in this biz every day since early 96.
I may be "anon", but I haven't been wearing blinders.

Fucking newbies...

Oh well... business is business.

If Ron only looks out for #1 and makes a choice which will make him more money at the expense of his competitors the only thing he can be accused of is being a shrude business man.

Ron is in this game to make money just like everyone else, you can't blame him for making a move that is in his own best interest.

Survival of the fittest.

I do not know how smart it was - seams like CE is getting alot of bad press. And it will not go away as long as Acacia is still active.

If it had been a smart move (thinking that CE still likes to receive traffic from webmasters), then they would have signed, and made Acacia keep their name out of the press like the "other adult companies" who have signed.

Rolo, those are only assumptions and it's usually not wise to make assumptions, because they make you look stupid when you're wrong.

However, if I'd have to make an assumption I'd assume Ron did what was in his best interest, and I think he is in a much better position to judge what is in his best interest than you are.

I agree, he can do whatever pleases him - it is his own business.

But since Acacia made it public, that CE signed the deal, then CE should expect some heat... This will not help their brand long term.

Fore the record, you only come and and post to defend Ron and CE. I have no doubt you have been around for a long time, maybe as long as Ron has.... BUt you are still anon..... :D

Timon - you are right. Ron should look after his own interest, that is what I would have done. The issue I have is Ron always holds him self out as the savior, founder, _____________ (fill in blenk) of adult internet industry.

Of course we all know its BS, but many other fell for it.... so now, it is clearly exposed that Ron is about himsel, and no one else. ( again this si fine, but don't blow smoke up our asses)

That is all.....

I don't know anyone in this business who isn't in it for themselves. This isn't a welfare state lol...

I wonder just how many people would have made the same choice that Ron did, given the opportunity.

Obviously homegrown has certainly had the longest chance and hasnt done so. So theres one that could of...but didnt.

ANd yes it all about business but the same could be said for those were guilty of coming in and making the quick buck for themselves and then leaving just as fast as they blew into town.

If you look back I dont htink many people over all wish folks like Crescent, Seth etc well.

And then you have those stupid fucks that just make a negative impace on the biz by picking up waifs at the Greyhound station and fucking them and putting it up on Toledo web pages. Thats not even thinking with your wallet thats thinking with your dick-- and certainly putting more heat on the industry over all.

Business is indeed business ... but do you think its right for someone to poison the well we all are drinking from?

Depending on what the deal was, I would think anyone would have taken it. Economic Man looks out for himself, if everyone does that it makes the economy work at optimal levels.

Ron probably made the best decision.... and I would have done the same thing.

Difference is, I do not hold myself out as the leader/founder/king/pimp/player of the adult industry.

I am merely a guy trying to make a living....

Ron has always done things that benefit himself, but yet puts the industry in a tough spot - but he always managed to convince many people in the business that he was doing things not for himself, but for ALL OF US!

That is the only myth I am trying to destroy.

I didnt know Ron worked with AL Gore.....

Michael, you've done business with Ron in the past, and you know he's going to do what suits him. Period. Lord knows he and I have a somewhat vitriolic past but I still don't see where he has 'poisoned the well' as someone said.

If that's all the poison that ever got into this well then it would be a different business entirely. One that didn't make anyone a damn dime I bet.

Funny thing is that Ron says he no longer owns ce or cecash. So why would he settle with them, would they not be after the "real" owners? haha

It was a rhetorical statement as far as poisoning the well.

I was refering specifically to Ron but more in reference to the cumulate effect of all the greed heads who do drive by in this business.

Ron himself alone does little more than to piss in the well.

That alone aint gonna turn it "Big Time Green".

Odds on FM making it to Miami? I would bet he does not show his face.



Last edited by BradShaw at Jul 5 2003, 07:17 PM

Good PR is just another ingredient of a successful business, can't blame someone for marketing himself as good as he can.

But you're right, he's definitely not the angel he made himself out to be and anyone stupid enough to buy his angel act in the past can clearly see the true Ron now ;-)

Only point I was making.....

Any regular here that has done any business with ron has probably been shafted in one way or another.. I know he has got me twice.

Whoever that anon is must be living with their head up someone's ass... People don't speak up about ron's antics often enough.. It's refeshing to see some credible people happy to post what a backstabbing untrustworthy asshole he is.

That's a funny one about how he claims he doesn't own CEcash at the first sign of any heat.. anyone remember him spouting that same line about when his scam to spam agecheck prior to selling it fell apart too. There was no shortage of money at that time.. but he still made greedy self serving decisions and left a bunch of "his people" out in the cold.. much like what he appears to have done again now.

Someone suggested other people might have done the same thing in the same position.. Where does that come from? A few might think it seems like an advantage in hindsight.. but over the last year there hasn't been a hint of any other old name shafting the industry like this.. and it is a shaft.. I hope it turns sideways on him personally :lol:

Dont let him have anything to do with your fight far-l/moff.. he will only be looking for opportunites to shaft you further.. Best defense is a good offence.. could you attack acacia on basis of Ron's agreement with them.. Don't know much about the US fair trading or restraint of trade laws, but if they can offer that deal to CE can acacia be forced to apply it industry wide possibly? At least that way everyone gets to enjoy the benefit of "ron's insurance policy"

If those non-disclosure agreements could be ruled invalid.. I wouldn't mind betting a dollar that the details in there wouldn't help acacia's long term cause either :D

You didn't actually use the word "credible" in this thread did you?

What were you thinking Opti??

TTH and "credible" don't go in the same thread!