agreed. but where do you draw the line/law? 12? 13? 15? 18?

this is just a theoretical discussion of course. and when we're done i'm going to go kiss my baby jesus statue, listen to rush limbaugh and drink my ovaltine like a good boy.

I completely agree with both Hooper and CJ....it is TOTALLY societal morality that plays a HUGE role in how we experience 'the experience'.

:wnw:

Girls in America (not sure if it's happening elsewhere) are going through puberty at an earlier age than they were even just a generation ago. In addition look at most girl's role models - Britany, Madonna, Christina, etc. Popular female singers were dressed in rags when we were kids. B)

Every time my son shows up with another female, I remind myself how glad I am that I didn't have a daughter I had to worry about. :headwall:[/b][/quote]
I still blame the parents. Some of what these girls are wearing makes me wanna follow 'em home and beat the crap out of their dad.

A couple of weekends ago, myself and a fellow dirty old man were sitting at the Starbucks near the mall food court just killing time waiting for the movie we were going to see to start. We were there maybe 30 minutes. In that time, not once, but twice I saw hip huggers so low that I could see the treeline as they walked. Being diligent as I am, I did a triple take and I'm 100% certain in both cases what I was seeing was boo hair.

Not that I'm offended by that or anything mind you. But when we're talking 15-16 year olds, it's not good to wave red in front of the bulls. For every dirty old man like myself who'll sit and quietly observe while shaking my head, there are others out there who are like hungry lions watching a pack of zebra looking for the one that is a little slow or strays from the herd.

I'm glad I dont have a daughter. She'd hate me not only on wardrobe restrictions but the way I'd greet all boyfriends. I'd politely and calmly explain to each one of them that I have guns, I'm a good shot and I also own a shovel and lots of property.

basically ... yes

i remember life at 10 being about school, baseball & friends ... definately

i went to school and played with as many boys as i could (i touched a boys pee pee in the middle of class when i was 6!), i played baseball (& watched) so i could try to get a glimpse of a pee pee, & my friends were all either boys or other girls who liked pee pee's ... when i was about 8 or 9, my female cousin & I played with each others bits in bed one night ... when i was 12, the 'gang' of friends i had at school were all desperate to lose our virginity - it was like a curse. we all pretended we had sex at various stages throughout the year, but all went off to high school virgins.

if i had've had an opportunity to have sex at the age of 12 i would have, without question, and i'm SO glad i didn't. Between 12 & 14 lots of kissing & fondling happened in between, and i WAS ready to have sex when i did.

maybe age 10 is about baseball & school for some kids, but there's always the group gathering behind the sports shed for a kiss & a grope who don't give a shit about baseball. :biglaugh:

everything is more simple when we are kids, because we don't understand all the details ... we let kids play baseball even though they don't all understand the rules ...

with all of that said however, the hypothetical situation we are discussing is wrong, but the only person doing anything wrong is the 21 year old, not the 10 year old boy.

This is precisely what I think also.

Again, so right on. I didn't think I'd find a kindred spirit on this topic. :okthumb:

Pun intended.

I'm with you three. I have nothing to add. It's already been said above.

Born to be a pornographer! :rokk:

I still blame the parents. Some of what these girls are wearing makes me wanna follow 'em home and beat the crap out of their dad.

A couple of weekends ago, myself and a fellow dirty old man were sitting at the Starbucks near the mall food court just killing time waiting for the movie we were going to see to start. We were there maybe 30 minutes. In that time, not once, but twice I saw hip huggers so low that I could see the treeline as they walked. Being diligent as I am, I did a triple take and I'm 100% certain in both cases what I was seeing was boo hair.

Not that I'm offended by that or anything mind you. But when we're talking 15-16 year olds, it's not good to wave red in front of the bulls. For every dirty old man like myself who'll sit and quietly observe while shaking my head, there are others out there who are like hungry lions watching a pack of zebra looking for the one that is a little slow or strays from the herd.

I'm glad I dont have a daughter. She'd hate me not only on wardrobe restrictions but the way I'd greet all boyfriends. I'd politely and calmly explain to each one of them that I have guns, I'm a good shot and I also own a shovel and lots of property.[/b][/quote]
HellPuppy,

In certain instances, for sure the parents are at fault.

But let me tell you, when I was 13, 14, 15, I, and MANY of my friends would hide our makeup and desirable clothes in our bags before school, get to school early, and 'get dressed up'. Why? Because our parents had already told us we weren't allowed to wear such things.

Girls are sneaky...lol

I agree, BUT...there are also the girls whose parents aren't around enough to know what the kids are wearing and even worse: the mother that's reliving her teenage years through her daughter and ENCOURAGES her to dress like that. :angry: And let's not forget that many of these girls don't have a father around to lay the law down on what guys are thinking.

Luckily when my kid was in HS we lived in fairly conservative neighborhood. The girls weren't dressed like sluts that I ever saw, it was more the makeup/hair/etc. that amazed me. Prom night starts with a $1000-2000 dress, a visit to the hairstylist who colors, cuts and styles, and then the acrylic nails and french pedicure for the toenails. :zoinks: I paid $50 for my prom dresses, put my hair in barrettes and MIGHT have put on some mascara, lol!

Born to be a pornographer! :rokk:[/b][/quote]
or a rockstar ... but i can't sing or play a musical instrument
:biglaugh:

or a rockstar ... but i can't sing or play a musical instrument
:biglaugh:[/b][/quote]
That didn't stop Britney Spears......