Thanks, cj! My Mom's a midwife, one of my sisters is a massage therapist (Christmas and bday gifts are GREAT!!) and one of my brothers has a doctorate in bio genetics, so between the three of them, one will surely know what I'm talking about when I bring it up, lol! I'm going to print that site out also. I want to see if they are finding out anything regarding migraines! :bjump: Thanks again!!!

there's nothing more empowering than the first time you hear something useful ;-)

I hope you find a useful path soon ;-)

cj, one of the biggest ongoing problems for most people (myself included) is that we live with a high sugar high starch low nutritional diet - we almost all over eat, we almost all overdo suger, and we suffer as a result. Our bodies adapt as best they can to the onslaught, up to a point.

The amount of adult onset diabetes is scary.

There is one thing common to ALL diets, ALL nutritional guides, and basic common sense: Drink alot of water. Your body is highly liquid, and the amount of water you put through your body has a big effect on how well your kidneys and liver end up working. They are the filters, and they need the water going through to keep the filters clean. Don't clean the filters, and the results are toxic.

Peaches, have you ever been asked to do a full log for your migrains? Dates, times, meals, weather, humidity, blood pressure, etc?

Alex

Hey Peaches,

http://www.naturopathic.org/

I found some useful information on the site, as well as links to Naturopathic Doctors in Georgia. :)

Yes, but I haven't done it in years (like 22-25 years), so doing it again would be advised, lol! They're VERY hormonal. I've told the dr's that I've finished using everything and it's OK if they take it all out :awinky:

Weather pressure is a factor. I can tell when a high front is coming. High blood pressure is also, and thankfully I have very low blood pressure. Lack of sleep, or TOO much sleep can get me :( The regular food triggers don't get me like cheeses, wines, red meat, etc. I have the common migraine, not the classic one - I don't get the auras.

So...if I'm PMSing, there's a storm front coming, I'm upset about something, and I haven't had much sleep - I usually take a handful of imitrex, some pain pills, ice packs, and hang out in a dark room for a few days. Yeehaw, I'm fun then! :bjump: :bjump:

Thanks, Voo! You'd think there'd be more than FOUR in all of Georgia! :zoinks:

This is true... But, it's a start. I find the idea very interesting myself. I tend to lean towards the holistic approach. Don't know why I didn't think of it before. Thanks CJ. :)

very true alex ...

what you described in your first paragraph pretty much sums up my problem ;-)

i started a serious intake of water about 8 months ago, and the natropath told me I would have shut down months sooner if I hadn't been a water guzzler.

those who don't drink water (as I never did) roll their eyes and thing 'fuck would you shutup on the water thing' but ... it is the MOST important thing for every single body/wellness issue you can think of. i bought a water cooler and get 60 to 100 litres of water delivered per month. can't get enough ;-)

I am drinking 4-8 liters per day so far

day 3

waiting for the end of the weeek to weigh myself :gbounce:

wish i could bounce like that all day

LOL

Wow - great info here! CJ - thank you for posting your story. Sounds interesting....I find that the glutens are often a real problem for me. I thought I had an allergic reaction at one point, but really think it's just not healthy for me.

I'd heard about those blood type nutrition info programs before - and I've always heard positive results from those who truly follow them. That's very encouraging.

FOREST - congrats on the water dude! That's great! Maybe I should up my bet from 15 pounds in 30 days to 20+! If you keep this up you could be a true success story and we could see you on Oprah in no time! :)

WTG!!!!!!!!

kath

day 3 and I havent weighed myself BUT

i feel like I have a TON of energy.

im in WAY too good of a mood and actually feel more alert then ever

Glugggg Glugggg Gluggggg :hic: (just pretending)
LOL

Forest, you sound just like my sister when she was on Atkins. I bet this works out well for you... :okthumb:

Voo

from your mouth to God's ears :okthumb:
lol

Hey Forest,

I thought I would tear myself away from the news for a moment to see how the Atkins diet was treating you. How's it going after a week and a half? :okthumb:

Also, is it just me, or is Jane Skinner really cute? :inlove: :inlove: :inlove:

Ya Forest!! Give us an update!! :)

Peaches,
Man oh man....I've had migraines since I was a child. I NEVER had the auras until about 3 years ago....then all of a sudden WHAM! The first time it happened I was convinced that I had a brain tumor...it was terrifying!

I don't get them every time I get a migraine...but I do get them maybe every 3rd time.

One thing I like about them is that they are sort of like my early warning system....the aura comes at least 1/2 hour to 45min. BEFORE the real pain of the migraine starts.....just enough time to get the meds in the system before it gets so bad you can't keep anything down. ;)

I feel for ANYONE who gets migraines...I wouldn't wish them on my worst enemy....well....maybe Saddam. :nyanya:

Let me know if you find anything naturopatic to take for migraines! I'd be very interested. :)

[added]
As a matter of fact, my poor son Josh has inherited migraines from me...boohooo.....but most of the time he waits until it's too late to let me know he has one and then the meds won't stay down. :(

So if you see anything about treating kids with migraines shoot it my way!




Last edited by gigi at Mar 24 2003, 08:15 PM

gigi, the principal of all natural medicine is that the body is a machine and every piece must be working properly or there will be squeaks and rattles from everywhere that are caused from somewhere else ...

unfortunately when your problem is as severe as migraines (i only got them for about a 2 year period then they disappeared but that 2 years was more than enough!!), your body is already broken. there's LOTS of changes you might have to make in your life such as eating organic fruit and vegetables that don't have pesticides on them, exercising regularly focusing on specific areas to keep the energy flowing through your system and eating AT LEAST 4 - 6 serves of fruit and veges per day ... THEN the natural therapist will start working on your migraines ;-)

my natropath told me "The problem with YOU PEOPLE is that you expect a solution to be instant, you want a magic pill that will fix it and you refuse to take care of yourself properly."

:zoinks:

after i bitch slapped him i realized he was right ;-)

how is everyone going so far since this thread was started? voo?!?!? forest?!?! anyone got anything positive or negative to report?!

Gigi, have you tried the triptans (for both you and your son)? Imitrex is the only one that works for me, but it's the greatest thing since sliced bread! They are completely non-drowsy, it's fast acting (especially the shots), and there have been times when normally I know I wouldn't have been able to get out of bed when I've been able to function. I still have some that the Imitrex takes a bit of the edge off, but can't get rid of, but instead of being bedridden 2-3 days a month, now it's a day every 2-3 months! :bjump:

My mother actually had encephalitis several years ago and kept going to the hospital getting demerol shots thinking she had another migraine :zoinks:

That SO sucks :( Every female on my Mother's side has had them, and when I had John, I told the doctor in the delivery room I was glad it was a boy so he had better chance of not getting them. Hopefully they'll find better and better ways of treating/preventing them so he won't deal with them for long. I've had them since I was 13, and the advancements just in the last 10 years have been incredible!

Do you have them when you're pregnant? That was the only time I've EVER gone that long w/o one. I was ready to just stay knocked up :awinky:

Here's a good newsgroup for info:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&...daches.migraine

And here's another good site:
http://www.meldrum.demon.co.uk/migraine/

I had a link somewhere of various vitamins to try....B's, Magesium, etc...I'll see if I can dig it up.

Uh... I really haven't done much. But I've got some great excuses:

1. Sweet T has this adorable three year old who calls me and invites me out to dinner all the time. I can't refuse when he says "Hoo Hoo, you wanna have Chinese with us?" haha

(Yes, he calls me Hoo Hoo) :okthumb:

2. I HATE to cook... anything beyond a cup of coffee is too much for me. :headwall:

3. I LOVE to eat. I call it emotional nutrition. I'm single, so I'm sure I'm filling some kind of void. :bdance: :bjump: :bdance: :bjump:

All kidding aside, it's REALLY time I did something. I'm sure I would be more the fruit and veg type than Atkins, but the bottom line is I've got to get off my ass. 200 pounds is waaay too much for me.

but the bottom line is I've got to get off my ass
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:okthumb:

... am I the only one that noticed Vooman saying "filling a void" and following that with four bananas?

Anything you want to tell us about, Voo? :agrin:

Alex

i thought only single girls liked bananas in that way

:P

Okay, I should have used a smiley... sue me. :awinky:

Two words Voo... PUSH MOWER... :zoinks:

You would not believe how much time I spend working in my yard...

Granted, my mower is self propelled, but it takes about 4 hours or so to cut the grass. Ask Sweet T how many tons of stone I moved around last summer. Me and my wheel barrow... haha

Indeed... see it isn't the weight... it's the wait (for winter to get over that is)... I know you work like a banshee on that 'yard' of yours... although I think 'grounds' it the proper term for one that size...lol

I'll stick with walking the golf courses and chasing that second hole in one for next 50 years and leave the landscaping to buff studs like you... ;)

Seriously though, was up to 210 around my bday last November Voo, started with the water and fruit for breakfast, raw veggies/soups for lunch (no crackers), and whatever for dinner... Snacked on flavored oatmeal, fruits or raw veggies through day... Dropped a bunch before Jan show and still keeping it off... Me, I just gotta eat... merely have to find stuff that you can eat all you want and not worry about it... (if you actually like eating it that is a bonus)... lol

ooh ooh ooh!!

vooman, i just got a message on my icq from an admirer who thinks you are "damn fine just the way you are"!!!

:yowsa:

I don't know why but I've never ever gotten a perscription for my migraines...I hate taking meds if I don't have to...lol. Plain old extra strength tylenol works most of the time...sometimes I have to take 4 of 'em...but they work. Unfortunately, if I don't get them down before the nausea starts I'm screwed. :( So something that is fast acting for those times I'm hit too fast would definitely help!!

When I was a kid my parents just called them 'headaches'. I remember laying in my bed in a dark room on a beautiful sunny day, hearing my sisters and friends outside playing while my dad was sitting with me rubbing my head and putting cold clothes on me....I didn't even know they were migraines until I was in my 20's.....LOL

Wow, I guess I'm sort of lucky that way with my manifestation....mine have never lasted more than a day.....and I might get one every 2 or 3 months....but let me tell you....that ONE is enough!!

Ick! Your poor mom!!! I guess the symptoms are that similar huh?

Yeah, poor Josh. I feel so bad for him because I know exactly how it is being a kid. We went to a specialist and got him tested 2 years ago to be sure that was what he was getting and sure enough that was it. :(

The Tylenol seems to work with him too....but again, he's a kid and by the time he realizes he's in pain it's usually too late and the nausea is already there....that's the toughest for him.

We went to Canada's Wonderland (amusement park) 2 years ago and right in the middle of the day we had to take him to the first aid for tylenol because we didn't bring any with us....ick!! And by the time we gave it to him it was too late and he kept throwing it all back up.....sigh...it's a trial that's for sure. Again, something fast acting would be really beneficial in his case.

I felt the SAME way with all of my preg's EXCEPT THIS ONEEEEEEE!!! I had a bout for 2 weeks straight....it sucked. Of course it had to happen during my first trimester when I'm also fighting weird food cravings and morning sickness...haha. I'm feeling better now though....and the migraines are less....maybe 1 a week right now.

Thanks for the migraine links!! I'll check 'em out!



Last edited by gigi at Mar 24 2003, 11:08 PM

That makes sooo much sense to me CJ. I'm really into the 'all natural', get your body working properly ideology...and I believe it.

BUT, I am soooo bad to my body...lol. I eat crap, sleep poorly, am inactive, smoke and on and on....

There are SOOOO many places in my lifestyle that I KNOW would help me with migraines if I only payed attention and worked on them.

I ate all organic produce for 3 years. Of course that didn't help when I was also eating crap on top of it....hehe.

I was also looking into Ayurveda...a naturopatic system rooted in India. I believe ,Vooman, we were discussing it before?

I am so ready to work on a naturopathic approach. I'm going to have to see who's in my area....

And your naturopath is right!! Where's that little pill dang it?? :P

Oh puleeeeease Mark! I CANNOT believe you were 210!! I just can't believe that m'dear....you'll have to try again. :nyanya:

I just started getting those auras about a year ago - didn't realize it was happening to others or that they were associated with migraines.

Actually - my catalyst seems to be allergy season. Right now we're having sand storms filled with pollen and crap from the coast that ends up out here in the desert. Being at my kids' ballgames 4-5 nights a week doesn't help either (geez I need a bubble!) but as soon as the sinus cavities start filling (I can actually FEEL them) - about an hour or so later the auras start - then about 2-3 hours later it's migraine time. Dark room, cool cloth on the forehead and absolute silence. It was so bad over the weekend that I snapped at my kid for chomping oatmeal too loudly. Oatmeal? Loud?

What usually works for me is that new Excedrin dissolve tab things - the caffeine kicks ass. I take 3 instead of 2 and I am medicine-phobic (allergic to aspirin and just about everything) the rest of the time so they work very well. It still takes about 6 hours for the whole thing to cycle, but these things generally only last a couple weeks on and off and then I won't see them again until Fall. *knock on wood*

Would love to see a naturopath - sounds like that's just what I need. What I've been doing so far for 33 years hasn't worked. Time to try something new. :)

Voo

I havent weighed myself yet because i dont have a reliable scale

BUT

i am wearing shorts I havent put on in 2 years!!!! :gbounce:

I have way too much energy and havent yelled at anyone in a week :biglaugh:

My LOVE handles are slowly dissapearing

Its WORKING!!!!!!!!!!!

:bdance: :bwave: :bjump: :cdance:

and I havent cheated once!!!!

But im supposed to have dinner with Mike and serge this week so i will be cheating with WINE!!!!
:stout: :hic:

Forest,
if your love handles are gone,
what should Mike and me fhold on to when we get too much wine?
;-))))

Evi called yesterday, she is a sweetheart and I told her how much we missed her
;-)))

Serge

my ass is still HUGE

you can each have 1 cheek :moon:

yeah evi e-mails me daily. She misses home (here NOT France LOL) and she is worried for her mom

we miss her here to. Im working WAY TO HARD!!!!

:(

Tylenol's do nothing for me - never have :( Not even for "regular" pain - my body's just not set up for them, lol!

Kath - watch out for the Ex. Strength Excedrins. I was taking those for migraines also - until I got a bleeding ulcer that put me in the hospital for a few days (this is what was wrong when I was in NOLA - it just took the doctors a few months, 8 pints of blood and $25K to figure it out :angry: ).

The triptans aren't pain killers at all. They work on the vascular system, which is where MY migraines start. They don't work for a lot of people (for instance, they don't do squat for my mother), but they work for me :gbounce:

My mother stopped having them when she hit menopause, then just recently (10 years later) started having them again. Odd.

YIKES!!!!!!! :zoinks: :zoinks: :zoinks:

Thanks for the heads up Peaches...just curious was it the Aspirin/Acetaminophen combo or the Aspirin free? I'm allergic to aspirin so I just take the acetaminophen/caffeine version - those quick tab things that melt in your mouth. For some reason as they melt, the meds seem to go straight into my jaw, up the side of my head and into the pain. I know they probably don't do that, but it feels like they get right into my system. Hey - if it works don't question. lol

BUT...your experience has got me worrying now. Hmmmmmmm.......

Forest -

Go ahead and enjoy that dinner and some wine. Seriously. My hub would cheat on Atkins about 1 weekend every 30-days and for some reason the days after the cheat, his weight loss would boost.

However...when he cheated more than once a month, he didn't lose well - even hit a stall. So...if you limit your all-out meals with Serge and the gang to once monthly, you should be good to go.

BTW...I'm off Atkins again. For some reason it wasn't working this time. Got an appointment with the doc after Phoenix to run blood tests, etc. to see if anything has changed. The first time though it was "magical" - I lost like mad. Glad to hear you're feeling well and losing enough to wear those shorts! That's what it's ALL about!

WTG!!!!! :rokk: :okthumb: :rokk:

wooohoooo

kath tells me I can cheat 1 day !!!!!!

and Thanx for the support It has actually been much easier than I thought it would be.

:wnw:

It was the Aspirin/Acetaminophen/Caffeine combo, so you should be OK - acetaminophen alone doesn't do anything for me :( I may try the ones you're talking about just for the "minor" migraines. My body's almost immune to most pain killers, which is why the Imitrex is so great. When I broke my leg, they wanted to give me just straight Tylenol after the surgery....erm, no.... :zoinks:

Kath, like any diet program, the weight loss at the start is as good as it will get. With Atkins, you are basically removing certain food types and your body adapts to it... during the first part it works well, but as your body adapts, it is less effective.

There really isn't any easy replacement for less calories / more exercise - basic math. Don't just eat less - exercise more... the losses are there.

Alex

alex

your a glass 1/2 empty kinda guy arnt you

:awinky:

Nope... more like half a glass is half a glass...

ANY diet is an improvement compared to over eating. Any exercise is better than none. Get up and walk around a bit... (or like me, buy a house with too many stairs!).

Atkins is good because, more than anything, it makes you think about what you eat, and keeps you away from certain things... you'll do good with it, I am sure! :-)

Alex