Re: Shelleehale your site is screwed up in IE6
 

I know! It must sure seem like a big mystery to you! Don't work too hard trying to figure this one out.

Re: Shelleehale your site is screwed up in IE6
 

Yeah everyone is wrong except for you Mark.

I guess now your going to tell me how probable it is that both IDs are in montreal as well.

You have a history of this shit with Shellee and I dont care either way. When you want to hide behind a sock puppet is when I do have a problem.

Take that shit to GFY. I wont have it here.

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Im working on the next Playboy mansion party scam.

Im going buy a table for $1000 a seat and offer each of my affilaites the chance of a life time to sit with me at the same table for the price of $2000 a seat.

Did that work out pretty good when you did it?

Re: Shelleehale your site is screwed up in IE6
 

Well said ScottMcGowan. I don't care who the fake asshole is and I'm not interested in watching yet another Shellee Hale/Mark Prince shitfest, but the fact that after the references to children in the code was pointed out and yet Shellee chose to defend the reason it was there instead of thanking the person for pointing it out and removing it immediately, is disturbing. And I don't give a rat's ass how many kids she has, this is the kind of shit that can fuck our industry in the ass.

In case I wasn't clear Shellee. GET THE FUCKING SHIT OFF THE SITE NOW OR TAKE THE SITE DOWN UNTIL IT IS!

Re: Shelleehale your site is screwed up in IE6
 

Gonzo,
Our office is located in Monteral, Canada. The computers went to locals as I said earlier. No mystery there.

Shellee and I stopped doing business together months ago but it does not mean that I do not wish her well. You are the one who seems to want to stir stuff up.

You may want to stop the the "take it to GFY" thing. You only wish you had their popularity. You know as well as everyone else that a little drama here and there is good for any site because it attracts hits and therefore more banner impressions for you to brag to your advertisers about.

Anyway I have said my bit. I have emailed the person who I suspect needs to change their workgroup / domain (with a little Smarten-up message for good measure). I wish everyone a very nice day.

Re: Shelleehale your site is screwed up in IE6
 

Scott,

We had already fixed this but I made an executive decision to leave it for now becuase of the inflamatory accusations as I don't have anything to hide nor am I involved in anything illegal or a thief. Although you may not agree with my not fixing this right away I wanted to remain transparent so it could be obvious what happened here.

In the last 9 months we have worked on over 19 sites and they aren't just porn walls. I am currently aquiring more sites and exclusive content as prices are dropping. Do any of you want to expose your first 9 months? I appreciate the help and support of 99.9% of you on here and am grateful for this experience as it has taught me a lot.

There are many people in this business making money off me with jobs, advertising and traffic and I am trying to have good products and weather the economic storm. Not one of them would say I was a thief or unethical. If anything I've been screwed a few times. Currently our sales are growing when most companies are down up to 35% or more. So, I must be doing something right.

All in all I think i will still be standing and the two bashers on here only time will tell (they don't even have reference to a site they own) but experts come in all shapes and sizes and even hide behind pseudonymn's.

Scott it is fixed.

Re: Shelleehale your site is screwed up in IE6
 

Hmmm you wish her well? How do you wish her well when you told her that you would do everything within your power to see that she didnt succeed?

Another lie.

As Ive told you on the mechanics of running this board.
I got this.
I dont need your advice.

Use that industry expert knowledge you tell your clients that you have to keep your webcam business rolling.

That way you wont have to lay off 3 more people.

Re: Shelleehale your site is screwed up in IE6
 

Actually Gonzo, since you asked.

The cost of the Playboy spnsorship was $10,000. We were going to give away a free inviations to each of our customers to purchased a license within a certain time. We also offered the chance for previous customers to buy seat at our table for $2000 each.

The cost to us for each seat was $1000 + $250.00 for the show badge which was required, leaving us an $750.00 profit. In the end we partnered with another company for the table, sold several licenses thanks to the promotion, but only a couple to previous customers. Still, it worked out very well for everyone involved.

You have to understand that to someone like you who is already in the industry, going to Playboy is a nice party. But to new people the chance to go to Playboy means much more. Not only did we offer our clients Playboy, but lots of meetings with us and lots of introductions to important people during the entire course of the trade show. We provided our clients with a great entry into the world of adult, capped off with a great night at Playboy. Pardon me Gonzo if you don't think we deserve to make a $750.00 profit for that.

Cheers!

Re: Shelleehale your site is screwed up in IE6
 

If business is so good why are you using templates, and bad ones at that?

Re: Shelleehale your site is screwed up in IE6
 

They werent checking for show badges. Lie 3.
Tony Morgan was at that party and I know he didnt have a show badge.

A thousand dollar profit. What a nice way to reward your affiliates and licensees.

Tell me the additional 5% hold back on top of the CCBill holdback... do you consider that a reward too?

Re: Shelleehale your site is screwed up in IE6
 

Shellee, Did I ever say that to you?

Gonzo: 2Much is primarily an exporter. We sell our live streams to mostly Amercian end users. Running a business with 30 employees is tough to do, and when the US dollar drops from almost $1.40 to $.98 as it did in the last few years, companies with lots of people (read: lots of expenses) need to react.

I am happy to say that everyone here at 2Much are friends, and when lay offs have to occur as they did, it is not a pleasant thing. It is very very hard to do when you care for your employees as much as I do. You are a 1 man show so you will never have to worry about that, but trust me, it's not a position that anyone would like to be in.

Re: Shelleehale your site is screwed up in IE6
 

You didnt say it Mark... you emailed it.

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Gonzo,
In order to get a Bracelet which got you on the bus and then to the party, you needed to be a registered, paid attendee of the Webmaster Access West show. You did not need to wear your badge to the party, but you definately needed to be a registered attendee.

It was not a $1000 profit, it was a $750.00 profit, and I already answered your question in my previous post.

The 5% holdback is a company policy that we have had for years. It helps to protect us from any liabilities that customers using our MBase system may have from affecting us.

As our customers buy and sell from our mbase system, we payout to those customers every 2 weeks, exactly like any other billing company does. The 5% holdback protects us in the event that they have chargebacks, just like CCBill does. If a customer was hit with massive chargebacks and we paid out 100% to them, we would be in trouble and have a hard time recovering that money.

If the concept of holdbacks / chargebacks is alien to you Gonzo, there are plenty of billing companies with similar practices out there. Do some research.

Mark Prince

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Hammer - Thanks for your advice; I am sorry you did not agree with my decision. Now, it seems you have some free time on your hands - I have a couple of projects if you are available and know php.

Re: Shelleehale your site is screwed up in IE6
 

I would never say anything like that, to anyone. And besides Gonzo, the question wasn't to you, it was to Shellee. Why do you feel the need to butt-in?

Re: Shelleehale your site is screwed up in IE6
 

I guess Tony Morgan was beamed in from outer space.

My ccbill account pays out direct to the affiliates.
You must have a new type that allows you to get an extra 5% off the top.

Or are you a billing company too now?

Re: Shelleehale your site is screwed up in IE6
 

Just to make sure, are you including me as one of the 2 bashers?

I will withhold any further reply until you answer that.





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Re: Shelleehale your site is screwed up in IE6
 

Kinda like when your bullshit boy stuck his nose in this thread.
Besides Ill do what I want here and if you dont like it you can leave.

Like you said you were doing last time. Lie 4 or 5?

Re: Shelleehale your site is screwed up in IE6
 

Hey youve bashed me before!

Spread the piss!!!

Butting in again... because I can.

Re: Shelleehale your site is screwed up in IE6
 

I don't know who Tony Morgan is, and I can't speak for him or say if he had his badge or not, sorry.

No, we are not quite a billing company, but:

Each of our customers can sell and buy streams from each other when they share their streams with the common "pool", called Mbase. It is a way of populating sites with video chat streams and working together instead of competing against each other.

What 2Much does is gurantee that each client gets paid on time for any streams they sell to mbase. We guarantee it because we are the ones making the actual payment.

2Much takes a risk in doing this because it means that we have to collect on the customers who are doing the buying. How do we make sure that we get paid?

2 Ways. First, all new customers have to keep funds on account. Once we have established a healthy work relationship, credit may be possible, but we do so very carefully.

Next, as we payout to each customer who sells their streams to us, we impose a 5% holdback which, just like a billing company, is properly accounted for and paid out as a "returning holdback" 6 months later. All of this is carefully documented and includes detail as a part of our accounting system that we wrote as a part of the entire LiveCamNetwork 2.0 system.

I hope this answers your question.

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net

Re: Shelleehale your site is screwed up in IE6
 

And dont cry to me when she posts that email.
Ive already got a copy of it.

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HAhahahahahaha... ok. Whatever you say, Gonzo. You're the king here.

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Actually if I remember correctly you pretty much stood in the corners all night and hardly talked to anyone. Who are your contacts - I think I have better relationships than you do after only 9 months.

Here is the email you sent me....

[FONT='Calibri','sans-serif']Hi Shellee, [/font]

[FONT='Calibri','sans-serif']I forgot to tell you - we have finalized our plans with Playboy. If you would like to be involved here are the details below. You can also see some pictures located here: http://www.2much.net/playboy.html[/font]
[FONT='Calibri','sans-serif'][/font]
[FONT='Calibri','sans-serif']Mark[/font]



Party with 2Much at the Playboy Mansion.


Dear Client,

2Much Internet Services Inc is pleased to invite you to join us at the word famous Playboy Mansion, in Beverly Hills California, for a unique networking Event on Friday Night November 16th 2007 at 8pm.

Celebrate your new business venture in style as you party at the Mansion, meet other business people, models, celebs, movers and shakers. Among the attendees will be other 2Much Customers, Top Models, Agencies and traffic driving companies, Top Billing and other vital to fast-tracking your business success. This is THE networking event of the year that YOU SHOULD NOT MISS.

Hugh Hefner (aka "Hef") is the supreme bachelor of our time and the ultimate "lifestyle entrepreneur". He has forever changed our world by breaking the boundaries related to sexuality, age, and gender. He created a revolutionary magazine with naked women and great articles in a time when sexuality was not even appropriate to talk about. Now, this is your chance to Party in his home.

2Much Internet Services Inc is very pleased to offer you this night that you will never forget. Delicious food, top-shelf drinks, in one of the most famous places on earth, High Hefner's Playboy Mansion. See the spectacular grounds, home, and of course, the infamous "Gotto" swimming pool.

The cost is $1900.00 Per Person. Availability is EXTREMELY LIMITED. Orders must be placed and paid for by FRIDAY SEPTEMBER 30TH. All Sales are final. Transportation from downtown Los Angeles will be provided and mandatory. You will NOT be able to take your own transportation to this event. All non-recognized cars and limo's will be turned away at the gate. Only 1 pass per person will be available. Absolutely no invitations will be re-issued in the event you lose yours. Must be 18+. Proper Attire is required.

If you would like to attend please contact me, Mark Prince at xxxxxxxx or toll free xxxxxxxx , or by email at xxxxxxxxx.


See you at the Playboy Mansion!

Mark Prince, CEO
2Much Internet Services Inc.
http://www.2Much.net

Re: Shelleehale your site is screwed up in IE6
 

So cliff notes is... we scam an extra 5% on top of CCBill hold back and 17.5% processing fee.

Shit that doesnt leave much profit does it?

Guess that extra 5% is needed to "float".

Re: Shelleehale your site is screwed up in IE6
 

Hmm. I was asking Shelee, but, you know better anyway. I am not a basher.

I am however, an asshole :okthumb:

Re: Shelleehale your site is screwed up in IE6
 

Nope - I really am so lost in this whole thing as I have actual employees and work to do. So, thank you for the heads up so I could fix the error you noticed

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We are BOTH assholes!

Re: Shelleehale your site is screwed up in IE6
 

Try my method with them. Shock Collars :okthumb:

Increased the productivity around here about 200% :yowsa:

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gonzo (Post 807933) And dont cry to me when she posts that email.

Gonzo you are the one accusing me, so why don't you post it here? (And don't forget the header information while you're at it).

And seriously, Shelle and I are no fans of each other but this is not something I would ever say to anyone. In fact I applaud Shellee for trying various new ideas to find something that works for her.

The adult business is full of "Amateurs" - I don't mean content, I mean people such as webmasters experimenting with new ideas and trying to make a buck. Everyone started the exact same way, you too, Gonzo, started with a computer and your very first line of HTML.

We as the adult community need to welcome people like that into this arena and help them any way we can, for the simple reason that someone reached out and helped us when we needed it.

I know you are going to bash me for saying this Gonzo, but this is what kills me about you and your board. There are very few helpful posts and threads here. It seems like nothing but drama (real or fake), and you seem way too eager to push people away for the wrong reasons. This is why I walked away from your board the last time. To me, the best board out there is http://www.ynot.com. Helpful and smart, its where I send all new employees and all new customers too. It’s a great resource, and thankfully heavily moderated to keep the subjects on-track in any given thread. They take their board (and their chosen industry), seriously, and that’s why they are kings at least in my book.

Thankfully, the industry is evolving. Everyone is making lots of money and now we're looking for ways to protect our businesses, learn more from others, network and make friends. I think forums need to evolve in the same way otherwise the true moneymakers will start seeking other boards in hopes of having more serious discussions about things that really affect their business.

Regards,
Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net

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Additionally in regards to the Playboy party this was a fundraiser so not only was Mark Prince increasing the price almost 100% you lost on the painted girls and other promotional add ons and missed out on the tax deduction by taking his offer which I did not. I guess I missed out on meeting all his great contacts which he values at as much as the original cost of a ticket.

Re: Shelleehale your site is screwed up in IE6
 

Shellee -

You're right, it was $1900.00, not $2000. That brings our profit to $650, not $750. My mistake.

Nice of you to notice me at the party. I didn't realize I was so interesting. And what can I say? I'm a shy person.

Cheers!

Mark

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Gee Mark then why do you log in here every day?

And I get along fine with the Ynot crew. I guess youve been too busy with your "contacts" to notice that Im good friends with Jay and Conner and have been for several years.

The indignant card doesnt work with me Mark. Its Shellee's email one and her choice to post it. Note shes already posted one.

Your the one laying off people and you constantly want to offer me advice on how to run this board.

The board runs fine as it has for several years. If anything its a much kinder and gentler board than it has been in the past. The people that complain usually are the ones caught in lies and scams.

I thought you were leaving?

Re: Shelleehale your site is screwed up in IE6
 

No Gonzo, you are wrong again.

First CCBill charges us only 10.5%, not 17%.

Customers who have CCBill accounts are paid directly by ccbill, minus whatever per-transaction rate CCBill choses to charge them (usually its 14.5% I think). And as is industry standard, CCBill holds back 5%, and returns it 6 months later. Paycom, I think, has a 10% holdback but I'm not sure.

When 2Much pays out to its customers we also have a 5% holdback, and payout this 5% 6 months later. Again, industry standard.

I hope this clears it up for you.

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net

Re: Shelleehale your site is screwed up in IE6
 

Hahahahaha... I like that idea. :)

Cheers!

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As I said, we partnered with someone else in the end so we did not get to have our name painted on the girls. But hey if the money you spent at it worked for you then congratulations.

I didn't know it was a fund raiser, Shellee. What charity was this for?

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I don't log in every day. Sorry to burst your ego. However despite what I may think of your board as it currently stands I don't doubt that it serves a useful purpose, and will only get better as time goes by.

I didn't say you didn't! Where did that come from?

Gonzo, its normal to fight and argue on the boards, but its really not necessary to make those so personal. As you know there are lots of fights and drama at gfy.com, right? Did you also know that their warm-up parties at Internext are constantly the best? A fight online does not necessarily translate into face to face fight. We're all adults here for cryin' out loud... of course you're friends with Jay and Connor. They're nice people! Who wouldn't want to be friends with them?

Ok.

I'm sorry Gonzo, I thought you would appreciate the opinion of one of your board members. I'll try not to tell you what to do any longer because clearly you have a plan.

I was, but a little birdy told me I was mentioned here so I came to check it out.

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net

Re: Shelleehale your site is screwed up in IE6
 

Free Speech Coalition

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Cool, thanks! I will contact them and see if we can't qualify. Since we're Canadian I doubt our idiot tax collectors will let us write it off but I'll try.

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net

Re: Shelleehale your site is screwed up in IE6
 

You can leave anytime you want Mark. But we both know you will be back.

Food for thought. I was here before you started in this business and given your current course I will be here long afterwards.

Shouldnt you be trying to bolster up business so you can hire those laid off back?

Or maybe chasing down the "rogue computer user" that exists in charityland to change the workgroup?

Or maybe to relabel yourself as an import/export business when we all sell fucking porn.

Im paid to be here.

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Somehow, Gonzo, I think you are right. I think we both have a deep, deep love for each other. Perhaps its sexual. My nether regions are tingling right now as I write this.

Congrats. Personally I hope to expand and have lots of businesses in other industries including adult, but thats just me.

No. Business is just fine and we're more profitable now, but THANK YOU FOR YOUR ADVICE. (Geeze!) :)

Nah. I already did my part. (read above!)

When you have a product or service in one country, and you sell it to consumers in another country, you are exporting it. Was I not clear enough the first time?

What? You mean this is your JOB? All this time I thought you were the owner of this site. Oh well. Let's hope you don't get laid off!

Cheers!

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net