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Inabon 11-22-2006 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by pam (Post 748650)
Excuse me? I run a legit business, I don't fuck anyone over, I have morals and ethics and that's how I run my business.

Just because we sell sex doesn't mean we have no ethics.

Please speak for yourself.


erm but your sig leads to a page that says

Surfers Seeking Free Porn
Enter Here

then

Did you know you can get FREE porn?
The sites below are all FREE and
you get access for 3 full days!.

what happens if they do not cancel?? full membership for 30 bucks ohh but it is written in very small letters.
and then there is a link goes to a search engine that offers free porn but most of the links are to paysites

WHERE IS YOUR FREAKING FREE PORN?

ohhh wait that is ethical?

so i can sue because you offer free stuff and i could not find any?

sudden 11-22-2006 01:16 PM

Re: AdultFriendFinder.com Fake Profile Class Action Lawsuit Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pam (Post 748650)
Excuse me? I run a legit business, I don't fuck anyone over, I have morals and ethics and that's how I run my business.

Just because we sell sex doesn't mean we have no ethics.

Please speak for yourself.


She obviously meant that in the eyes of a lot of people, you DONT have any morals/ethics based solely on the fact that you're in the porn industry.

pam 11-22-2006 08:31 PM

Re: AdultFriendFinder.com Fake Profile Class Action Lawsuit Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Inabon (Post 748653)
erm but your sig leads to a page that says

Surfers Seeking Free Porn
Enter Here

then

Did you know you can get FREE porn?
The sites below are all FREE and
you get access for 3 full days!.

what happens if they do not cancel?? full membership for 30 bucks ohh but it is written in very small letters.
and then there is a link goes to a search engine that offers free porn but most of the links are to paysites

WHERE IS YOUR FREAKING FREE PORN?

ohhh wait that is ethical?

so i can sue because you offer free stuff and i could not find any?



If they sign up for 3 days, they get free porn. I don't promise they will never have to pay for porn, I tell them that for 3 days, there is no charge. They are then told they can go to a free porn search engine -- meaning there is no cost to go to the search engine. No where on the page does it say all the sites listed are free. Virtually all are paysites. Where is the deception?

pam 11-22-2006 08:35 PM

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BTW, it clearly states you are rebilled and it's not in small print.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e2...girlisland.jpg

Rcourt64 11-22-2006 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by pam (Post 748680)
BTW, it clearly states you are rebilled and it's not in small print.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e2...girlisland.jpg

theres nothing wrong with what or how she's marketing her site.
besides the brunette in the middle pics is freakin hot !! WooHoo :yowsa:

Pretty much as I look around theres nothing wrong with any of the systems anyone is using. its all different forms of advertising, and the main problem is everyone just seems to have a different standards or level where they draw the line on advertising.
Creating a profile of some botacious porn model hot girl?
or telling someone over the phone that your really Britney Spear's sister look alike?
or tell them FREE PORN for 3 days? it's all the same game.
Your all attempting the same goal. To entice people to purchase something. Advertising is partially based on "make believe fantasies", to lure a person to purchase something.
Now if we all have different aspects or ethics on how far we should go? well, I feel thats for the Courts to decide.
But I think as long as companies like Ford Motor Vehicles tell me on TV every few minutes How if I buy one of there trucks, and "Ride it like a Ford" I'll get hot girls around me all the time & be the shit of my neighborhood, then I see nothing wrong with how any of you or AFF operates.

gonzo 11-22-2006 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rcourt64 (Post 748682)
Your all attempting the same goal. To entice people to purchase something. Advertising is partially based on "make believe fantasies", to lure a person to purchase something.

Well we all could have less game and try to use scare tactics like running a fake virus scan on your machine and make the CD drawer open to coerce a surfer into using your anti virus.

Once loaded it is really a trojan to pop up ads and some say unwittingly turns your machine into a big zombie spammer.

Rcourt64 11-23-2006 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by gonzo (Post 748683)
Well we all could have less game and try to use scare tactics like running a fake virus scan on your machine and make the CD drawer open to coerce a surfer into using your anti virus.

Once loaded it is really a trojan to pop up ads and some say unwittingly turns your machine into a big zombie spammer.

ur point being fatboy?????
what? that some lowlife scamming hacker webmaster played a trick to get someone to buy there crap? well fuck man, thats not advertising or any form of marketing. thats just being illegal due to the fact that someone has taken control of someone elses personal property illegally. & WTF does that have to do with AFF? did I miss this part of the story where AFF is performing these acts? or are you just pointing out another form of ???

JR 11-23-2006 02:17 AM

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fake profiles = fraud



not sure why people don't get that. someone is purchasing a membership based on what you represented the site to be and its content. it has nothing to do with "fantasy" or "marketing" any more than any other type of misrepresentation of a product does. its 100% illegal.

pointing out other acts of fraud does not make any particular act of fraud more legal... no matter how accepted, tolerated or prolific it is.

JR 11-23-2006 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 748567)
Back in the 900 biz we made a shitload of $$$ with bogus chicks in the chat rooms. I don't feel that was immoral or unethical.

Here's a little secret - the girls you're talking to on the paypercall lines aren't really porn models. :okthumb:

i think that anyone calling a 900 number knows and understands this. 900 number is fantasy. 900 numbers don't sell personal relationships and are not grounded in the pretense of actually meeting that person in real life based on their profiles, pics, personal info and back and forth communication. in fact, a 900 number connects you to a real person... a fake profile doesn't.

Rcourt64 11-23-2006 12:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JR (Post 748692)
fake profiles = fraud
not sure why people don't get that. someone is purchasing a membership based on what you represented the site to be and its content. it has nothing to do with "fantasy" or "marketing" any more than any other type of misrepresentation of a product does. its 100% illegal.

pointing out other acts of fraud does not make any particular act of fraud more legal... no matter how accepted, tolerated or prolific it is.

ok, try this again :hmm: ...

CREATING FAKE PROFILES IS NOT FRAUD !!!
I can't make it any simply than this:....
Who is the #1 fakest profile or character that exists on the planet today? that is used by millions to sell products everytime, this time of year?
Who is the #1 fake marketing and make up used profile on the planet now that even "us" as adults indulge in believeing to convince our minors of a false person or character to purchase or sell a product?

His name is Santa Clause !!!

If its ok to create this fantasy fake fatman in a red suit that helps major department stores & multi million dollar business sell products and convince our children that this fat fuck truly exits so we can create an excuss to spend money.
well I can't find a better example than this.

So, AGAIN, CREATING FAKE PROFILES IS NOT DECEPTIVE OR ILLEGAL. as long as there's this Fat Fake Fuck or some sort of freaking easter rabbit running around, or because theres some girl on a broomstick with a long nose, and a wicked laugh trying to make me purchase products, candy, or toys. There all bogus, deceptive, and fake. So whats the difference between this and some hot looking babe on a profile? THERE IS NONE

JR 11-23-2006 07:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rcourt64 (Post 748709)
ok, try this again :hmm: ...

CREATING FAKE PROFILES IS NOT FRAUD !!!
I can't make it any simply than this:....
Who is the #1 fakest profile or character that exists on the planet today? that is used by millions to sell products everytime, this time of year?
Who is the #1 fake marketing and make up used profile on the planet now that even "us" as adults indulge in believeing to convince our minors of a false person or character to purchase or sell a product?

His name is Santa Clause !!!

If its ok to create this fantasy fake fatman in a red suit that helps major department stores & multi million dollar business sell products and convince our children that this fat fuck truly exits so we can create an excuss to spend money.
well I can't find a better example than this.

So, AGAIN, CREATING FAKE PROFILES IS NOT DECEPTIVE OR ILLEGAL. as long as there's this Fat Fake Fuck or some sort of freaking easter rabbit running around, or because theres some girl on a broomstick with a long nose, and a wicked laugh trying to make me purchase products, candy, or toys. There all bogus, deceptive, and fake. So whats the difference between this and some hot looking babe on a profile? THERE IS NONE


dude... your fucking dumb ass childhood fantasies and crushed spirit after finding out half way through life that there is no santa claus has nothing to do with deceptive and fraudulent business practices. your stupid fucking flawed and rediculous examples of fantasy characters aiming at children has nothing to do with the law.

here's an idea dipshit. create a celeb dating site. grab public domain pics and advertise profiles of jessica alba, jessica simpson and 3000 other hot stars and create profiles saying they are all looking for a typical, fat, middle aged slob with a low IQ and shitty job "so join now to talk with me today" and see how far you get. afterall... being deceptive is 100% legal according to you and totally ok. so why not do the obvious and own the dating market.

i can't believe a human being can be this stupid and not be on life support, in a padded cell, fully restrained and being fed intravenously for his own safety and that of those around him. do us all a favor and at least wear your helmet when you leave the house.

Rcourt64 11-23-2006 09:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JR (Post 748720)
dude... your fucking dumb ass childhood fantasies and crushed spirit after finding out half way through life that there is no santa claus has nothing to do with deceptive and fraudulent business practices. your stupid fucking flawed and rediculous examples of fantasy characters aiming at children has nothing to do with the law.

here's an idea dipshit. create a celeb dating site. grab public domain pics and advertise profiles of jessica alba, jessica simpson and 3000 other hot stars and create profiles saying they are all looking for a typical, fat, middle aged slob with a low IQ and shitty job "so join now to talk with me today" and see how far you get. afterall... being deceptive is 100% legal according to you and totally ok. so why not do the obvious and own the dating market.

i can't believe a human being can be this stupid and not be on life support, in a padded cell, fully restrained and being fed intravenously for his own safety and that of those around him. do us all a favor and at least wear your helmet when you leave the house.


Remove head from ass slowly JR
http://static.tabo.aureal.com.pe/pub..._christmas.jpg
And happy holidays to you to
asswipe old school boy

spazlabz 11-24-2006 10:37 AM

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yeah but will Santa come to your house and suck your cock?

sorry, I just see a HUGE difference between the use of the Santa icon at this time of year and the use of fake profiles for dating sites.

fake profiles, esp the way AFF does it is DEFINITELY unethical. It makes them money yes... and their affiliates. God knows you cant go very many sites any more that dont show you skantily clad vixens in suggestive poses right from your immediately surrounding area. And the girls move around a lot because with my VPN turned on they are all from a northern state, with it off they are from atlanta (my carrier is out of Atlanta)

from an online dicttionary;
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fraud  /frɔd/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[frawd] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

–noun 1.deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, perpetrated for profit or to gain some unfair or dishonest advantage. 2.a particular instance of such deceit or trickery: mail fraud; election frauds. 3.any deception, trickery, or humbug: That diet book is a fraud and a waste of time. 4.a person who makes deceitful pretenses; sham; poseur.
and
Quote:

de‧ceit  /dɪˈsit/Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[di-seet]Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

–noun 1.the act or practice of deceiving; concealment or distortion of the truth for the purpose of misleading; duplicity; fraud; cheating: Once she exposed their deceit, no one ever trusted them again. 2.an act or device intended to deceive; trick; stratagem. 3.the quality of being deceitful; duplicity; falseness: a man full of deceit.

spaz

Rcourt64 11-24-2006 11:52 AM

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Apparently the point I'm attempting to get across is not fully sinking in.

The whole point of my examples "using the candy, the truck, and the jolly red man" are not to state that AFF is doing the right thing, if I own a dating site I would not embed bogus profiles myself.

The point Im trying to get across, "which might of got carried away in this thread" is as follows:

They can't take someone to court and accuse them of doing malicious practices, when most of the advertising industry does the same.

How come its ok to hire some lowlife drunk of the street and stuff a pillow in his gut, put him in a red suit, and then line up our children nation wide thu out just every mall or store in America and let our children sit on some strangers lap and whisper bulshit into there ears about how he's coming down down the chiminey with toys & gifts. or have him stand out side every mall or store ringing a bell to get people to donate money for the salvation army.

There just examples, are they right thing to do? NO.
But it's being done now for centuries, and no one ever said anything about it, it was okey dokey to do.
So how can you attempt to sue someone for impersonating a character on a dating website but allow all the rest of the bullshit to fly?
So your all saying if AFF make bogus profiles of Santa and donated the $$$ bucks, then its alright? thats BULLSHIT !!

When I say its ok with what there doing, I mean in the standards of most publicity and marketing advertising which everyone else is doing the same thing, you can't pick out just one and try to bring them down.
while they let the rest of them slip by.

spazlabz 11-24-2006 12:32 PM

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cool RCourt, I have gotten the point you are making. You feel that this suit is, at best, on shaky ground if i understand you correctly.

what I am saying, as I can't speak for anyone else here, is that if i click on a site that has the text 'Meet a girl from _______ for fucking tonight' where ____ = your local area and fucking tonight being any one of the dozens of ways I have personally seen this program advertised, that it is akin to fraud in as much as there is outright deception, not clever marketing, but outright lying going on to the consumer.

I create text to put on our tours, in order for me to write the text I actually have to watch the videos and then turn that into sales text.

http://www.drunkenteenorgies.com is a very good example of this.

Hard as it may be to believe I am mono-lingual, so i do not understand the spoken Russian language. So while I do have to invent details for the text, the general feel for each video coincides with the text I write.

If I say you are going to see 'lots' of 'gorgeous' teen girls in 'hot' action. then all of that is subjective. but if i say you will see over 300 of the hottest cum sluts alive... then I better have at least 301 videos or videos/picture sets in there with a different girl in each set.... or it is fraud.

AFF uses specific girls with specific screen names and they say they are from specific locations which is just plain bullshit, a clever script trick for geotargetting........ in my opinion, that is fraudulent marketing practices. But that is my opinion and the only one that ultimately matters is the opinion given by a judge in court.


spaz

gonzo 11-24-2006 12:47 PM

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You have to remember Rcourt thinks that this is ok but he thinks that google steals from everyone with adwords.

I dont know if I should laugh or cry.

Rcourt64 11-24-2006 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by gonzo (Post 748818)
You have to remember Rcourt thinks that this is ok but he thinks that google steals from everyone with adwords.

I dont know if I should laugh or cry.

Hey Gordo...
Buy me this for christmas
http://www.myadg.com/oprano/4340690_e0e6866f91_m.jpg
My own blow up sheep :clapping:

Rcourt64 11-24-2006 01:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by spazlabz (Post 748817)
cool RCourt, I have gotten the point you are making. You feel that this suit is, at best, on shaky ground if i understand you correctly.

what I am saying, as I can't speak for anyone else here, is that if i click on a site that has the text 'Meet a girl from _______ for fucking tonight' where ____ = your local area and fucking tonight being any one of the dozens of ways I have personally seen this program advertised, that it is akin to fraud in as much as there is outright deception, not clever marketing, but outright lying going on to the consumer.

I create text to put on our tours, in order for me to write the text I actually have to watch the videos and then turn that into sales text.

http://www.drunkenteenorgies.com is a very good example of this.

Hard as it may be to believe I am mono-lingual, so i do not understand the spoken Russian language. So while I do have to invent details for the text, the general feel for each video coincides with the text I write.

If I say you are going to see 'lots' of 'gorgeous' teen girls in 'hot' action. then all of that is subjective. but if i say you will see over 300 of the hottest cum sluts alive... then I better have at least 301 videos or videos/picture sets in there with a different girl in each set.... or it is fraud.

AFF uses specific girls with specific screen names and they say they are from specific locations which is just plain bullshit, a clever script trick for geotargetting........ in my opinion, that is fraudulent marketing practices. But that is my opinion and the only one that ultimately matters is the opinion given by a judge in court.


spaz

spazlabz

I appreciate you trying to explain this to me , especially without some sort of insult towards my direction. Thank you :wnw: , I respect that.

But I'm sorry, I just won't give in.
As long as its ok to malipulte or brainwash children & adults with some Red Suit Guy, which with result in the end with a donation OR purchase of a product. Then I will continue to stand my ground and support AFF. Because they're not doing anything different.

spazlabz 11-24-2006 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rcourt64 (Post 748821)
spazlabz

I appreciate you trying to explain this to me , especially without some sort of insult towards my direction. Thank you :wnw: , I respect that.

But I'm sorry, I just won't give in.
As long as its ok to malipulte or brainwash children & adults with some Red Suit Guy, which with result in the end with a donation OR purchase of a product. Then I will continue to stand my ground and support AFF. Because they're not doing anything different.

Hey No prob at all RCourt, i don't generally go in for attacks unless i have been attacked first so its all cool.

and I can see the connection, albeit slight, between the practices of AFF and Madison Ave.

But Santa, charitible organizations and the mainstream marketing are not currently facing a lawsuit either. AFF is and I can honestly see this one going either way depending on who appointed the Fed Judge it comes in front of.


spaz

Rcourt64 11-24-2006 05:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by spazlabz (Post 748822)
But Santa, charitible organizations and the mainstream marketing are not currently facing a lawsuit either. AFF is and I can honestly see this one going either way depending on who appointed the Fed Judge it comes in front of.


spaz

Well, if the courts appointed Judge decide to take down AFF for there practices,
I assume the same rules will apply for a few other million dollar websites
that I see practicing the same or similar tactics. "of which I can prove" So if they take one down, they better also be challanging the others.
Otherwise I'll see it as discriminatory.

Rcourt64 11-24-2006 10:13 PM

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I was re-reading my last post & wanna point out that when I say: "of which I can prove". meaning it would be easy to do, and not that I have any actual form of prove to this sort of activity.
Someone just told me, I could get in a shitload of trouble if that is interpreted the wrong way. So I wanted to correct this.

Peace :okthumb:


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