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softball 08-19-2006 06:04 PM

Re: $350 for acting in a porn flick?
 
"the BEST thing a new site owner can do these days is do it all themself, build the traffic yourself, make the sales yourself....NEVER depend on affiliates for anything"

It has always been that way. I have been around for a long time now and just recently did an affiliate programme. Its ok, but my own marketing costs way less and earns much more. But it is travel money.
Cash programmes are not a good thing for any boutique web business. Cash programmes are good for cash programmes. I have done the numbers six ways to Sunday and they just don't make any sense. They do make sense if you are a bulk content provider which most of us are not.

Greg B 08-19-2006 10:41 PM

Re: $350 for acting in a porn flick?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rhetorical
"the BEST thing a new site owner can do these days is do it all themself, build the traffic yourself, make the sales yourself....NEVER depend on affiliates for anything"

It has always been that way. I have been around for a long time now and just recently did an affiliate programme. Its ok, but my own marketing costs way less and earns much more. But it is travel money.
Cash programmes are not a good thing for any boutique web business. Cash programmes are good for cash programmes. I have done the numbers six ways to Sunday and they just don't make any sense. They do make sense if you are a bulk content provider which most of us are not.

You're right on some good points. I must be doing something right as I'm breaking sales records left and right and I haven't even started my affiliate program full swing yet. I'm just now installing the CC Bill program.

Traffic isn't always the key. A few years ago I got listed on The Hun. It was a nightmare! Gillions of hits and conversion was shitless. Just a bandwidth burner. For me, the lower the traffic the higher the sales. I'm so buried on mainstream comics stuff and other illustration stuff I didn't focus on traffic til this year. I kept away from the big traffic sites and the traffic brokers. They send traffic but it's not niche so it's worthless freeloader traffic. Traffic is either an asset or overhead. No gray area.

I'm sure I'll do far better affiliate wise as my test trial a few years ago. That was some GOOOOD money! Always came in, kept coming in, webmasters were happy.

I'll feel back to normal in a week.

I don't do content providing anymore. Only to an invitation only few who respect the work. I don't even charge em'. I do trades for traffic or computer parts or whatever barter is around. Somebody always has a cool hookup! Barter got me big hookups over the years. Don't knock it!

annalogue 08-19-2006 10:56 PM

Re: $350 for acting in a porn flick?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace
for a girl, $350 is VERY low...my wife used to get that just for a handjob

right now if we were to go back to porn valley my wife could get about $1500 per scene

$350/scene is chintzy as hell, but plausible if we're talking about fresh girls who has no idea what she COULD be making, nor any idea what kind of money they're making for the company involved. ... Which describes just about all the girls in the alt-porn market.

Greg B 08-19-2006 11:01 PM

Re: $350 for acting in a porn flick?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by annalogue
$350/scene is chintzy as hell, but plausible if we're talking about fresh girls who has no idea what she COULD be making, nor any idea what kind of money they're making for the company involved. ... Which describes just about all the girls in the alt-porn market.

It still baffles me that they'd work that low unless there's some benefit down the road like they appear on Bang Bus and then do a 'fan' circuit by appearing at bars and parties. I'd bet there must be a secondary market. $350, even $1,500 is like peanuts considering the widespread exposure. Don't think porn is only watched by a few. The only reason you don't hear about Bang Bus and all your other sites in popular culture like songs and tv, movies is because either the names are forbidden or the sites are competition. You'll hear them mentioned soon though for laughs. Kevin Smith's newest movie got real close.

softball 08-19-2006 11:10 PM

Re: $350 for acting in a porn flick?
 
What don't you guys understand? It is the law of supply and demand in full cry. Getting girls to have sex is easy as pie, hence it is not valuable. It is one of your minor costs.

Greg B 08-19-2006 11:22 PM

Re: $350 for acting in a porn flick?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rhetorical
What don't you guys understand? It is the law of supply and demand in full cry. Getting girls to have sex is easy as pie, hence it is not valuable. It is one of your minor costs.

Yeah, getting them to have sex is easy, escaping with your life is another!

I carry extra garlic, silver bullets, holy water, and that stuff you use on zombies in the video games.

They call it 'pussy' for a goooood reason:

All cats have claws.

softball 08-19-2006 11:25 PM

Re: $350 for acting in a porn flick?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg B
Yeah, getting them to have sex is easy, escaping with your life is another!

I carry extra garlic, silver bullets, holy water, and that stuff you use on zombies in the video games.

They call it 'pussy' for a goooood reason:

All cats have claws.

Keep drawing those toons. This is something you have no experience with, it appears. We are in a different business.

Jace 08-20-2006 12:26 AM

Re: $350 for acting in a porn flick?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rhetorical
Keep drawing those toons. This is something you have no experience with, it appears. We are in a different business.

I have been thinking the same thing this whole thread

Greg B 08-20-2006 12:45 AM

Re: $350 for acting in a porn flick?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rhetorical
Keep drawing those toons. This is something you have no experience with, it appears. We are in a different business.

Same business, different approaches and outlooks.

softball 08-20-2006 12:51 AM

Re: $350 for acting in a porn flick?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg B
Same business, different approaches and outlooks.

Wrong.

Jace 08-20-2006 01:08 AM

Re: $350 for acting in a porn flick?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg B
Same business, different approaches and outlooks.

to me it isn't the same business

my wife and I fucking on camera and selling it on a website is NOT the same business as you sketching out some big tit girl

it may both deal with naked people, but one is real life and one isn't, and THAT alone is a huge difference

Greg B 08-20-2006 12:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gonzo
The likelyhood of either of those happening is slim to none.
DragonCon isnt compensating any of us to speak so I am just another attendee that is going to step out of the void a couple of hours.

Feel free to have them come on by. We are just regular folks.
My real last name is contained in that article as well as on record as the registrant of this domain.

"When you aint got nothing...you aint got nothing to hide."

Well hopefully you'll get to meet the kinfolk down there and get yourself some good down home vittles. I'm probably related to half the state.

Red Eye Gravy, Sweet Potato Pie, Corn Bread.... Gonzo you're gonna be eatin' good!

gonzo 08-20-2006 12:53 PM

Re: $350 for acting in a porn flick?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg B
Well hopefully you'll get to meet the kinfolk down there and get yourself some good down home vittles. I'm probably related to half the state.

Red Eye Gravy, Sweet Potato Pie, Corn Bread.... Gonzo you're gonna be eatin' good!

Hell thats how we eat here all the time. You realize I live here.

Greg B 08-20-2006 01:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gonzo
Hell thats how we eat here all the time. You realize I live here.

Well lordy! Has your family been there for long? My kin there are Scottish and Native American. My great uncles, uncles, cousins are all sheriffs and stuff down there. They eat good!

gonzo 08-20-2006 01:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg B
Well lordy! Has your family been there for long? My kin there are Scottish and Native American. My great uncles, uncles, cousins are all sheriffs and stuff down there. They eat good!

Im Irish and Southern. We've been in the South since 10 years prior to the civil war.

Greg B 08-20-2006 01:30 PM

Re: $350 for acting in a porn flick?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gonzo
Im Irish and Southern. We've been in the South since 10 years prior to the civil war.

Oh God! I thought you looked familiar! My kins' been there before there was a U.S.. I must have more cousins than anyone on earth.

Anyhow, I miss the SE. Real good food. But they gotta take the table salt out of the food and use sea salt instead. It would solve a heckuva lotta health problems.

Jace 08-20-2006 02:05 PM

Re: $350 for acting in a porn flick?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg B
Oh God! I thought you looked familiar! My kins' been there before there was a U.S.. I must have more cousins than anyone on earth.

Anyhow, I miss the SE. Real good food. But they gotta take the table salt out of the food and use sea salt instead. It would solve a heckuva lotta health problems.

i live here too and if anyone replaced my salt or butter with anything but the real deal I would slice their throat

Greg B 08-20-2006 05:18 PM

Re: $350 for acting in a porn flick?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace
i live here too and if anyone replaced my salt or butter with anything but the real deal I would slice their throat

Yo, stay away from margarine and table salt. Ask whoever cooks what if they use that Olestra shit.

Real salt has all the vitamins and minerals and tastes way better.

Problem nowadays is the food ain't got FOOD in it.

Jace 08-20-2006 05:40 PM

Re: $350 for acting in a porn flick?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg B
Yo, stay away from margarine and table salt. Ask whoever cooks what if they use that Olestra shit.

Real salt has all the vitamins and minerals and tastes way better.

Problem nowadays is the food ain't got FOOD in it.

olestra? LOL

MAY CAUSE ANAL LEAKAGE

um...yeah...ok

you stoned or something man?

Sabby 08-21-2006 12:26 AM

Re: $350 for acting in a porn flick?
 
$350? Why not just be an escort... with no evidence? LOL. And ummm.. yeah, charge more!

(not that I'm soliciting of course, lol)


Sabby:flash:

Sabby 08-21-2006 12:38 AM

Re: $350 for acting in a porn flick?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rhetorical
What don't you guys understand? It is the law of supply and demand in full cry. Getting girls to have sex is easy as pie, hence it is not valuable. It is one of your minor costs.

We've seen your girls.


Sabby:flash:

softball 08-21-2006 01:10 AM

Re: $350 for acting in a porn flick?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sabby
We've seen your girls.


Sabby:flash:

Yeah, and I don't tank mulitple websites while "others" barely hold on by the skin of their teeth. LMFAO

Sabby 08-21-2006 01:25 AM

Re: $350 for acting in a porn flick?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rhetorical
Yeah, and I don't tank mulitple websites while "others" barely hold on by the skin of their teeth. LMFAO

Ahhhh.. you noticed. I knew it would intrigue you. ;)

A press release will be announced. I think.


Sabby:flash:

softball 08-21-2006 01:31 AM

Re: $350 for acting in a porn flick?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sabby
Ahhhh.. you noticed. I knew it would intrigue you. ;)

A press release will be announced. I think.


Sabby:flash:

LOL....another sabby press release. It doesn't intrigue me at all. It interests me because I wonder how long it will take for the inevitable. I think there is a more profitable future in hair extensions or selling Amway.

Sabby 08-21-2006 01:57 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rhetorical
LOL....another sabby press release. It doesn't intrigue me at all. It interests me because I wonder how long it will take for the inevitable. I think there is a more profitable future in hair extensions or selling Amway.

I think you might be right for once :)


Sabby:flash:

JoesHO 08-21-2006 02:11 AM

Re: $350 for acting in a porn flick?
 
you just need the right people to promote you Sabby that is all. and afiliate traffic is not the answear as many people think it is . ( self generated traffic is always better route ) but hey what do I know I am just a silly old rainman.

what happened ? are you not with Jayman any longer ?

if not that was fast .

softball 08-21-2006 02:17 AM

Re: $350 for acting in a porn flick?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JoesHO
you just need the right people to promote you Sabby that is all. and afiliate traffic is not the answear as many people think it is . ( self generated traffic is always better route ) but hey what do I know I am just a silly old rainman.

what happened ? are you not with Jayman any longer ?

if not that was fast .

If you are a small site, you have to promote yourself. Cash programmes are the last resort. Whenever I do the numbers, they just don't make sense unless you have something very unique and saleable. It is not girls that sell, it is ideas that are valuable and put gas in your Porsche. A good gag always sells and if you have that, you don't need a cash programme.

JoesHO 08-21-2006 02:29 AM

Re: $350 for acting in a porn flick?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rhetorical
If you are a small site, you have to promote yourself. Cash programmes are the last resort. Whenever I do the numbers, they just don't make sense unless you have something very unique and saleable. It is not girls that sell, it is ideas that are valuable and put gas in your Porsche. A good gag always sells and if you have that, you don't need a cash programme.

Have you seen our new BBW girl ?

Gonzo has a video of her on his site

www.gonzoland.com let me know if you would like to do any trades of any kind from her site to any of yours.

softball 08-21-2006 02:50 AM

Re: $350 for acting in a porn flick?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JoesHO
Have you seen our new BBW girl ?

Gonzo has a video of her on his site

www.gonzoland.com let me know if you would like to do any trades of any kind from her site to any of yours.

I would but I just don't have that kind of traffic.

Sabby 08-21-2006 02:55 AM

Re: $350 for acting in a porn flick?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rhetorical
If you are a small site, you have to promote yourself. Cash programmes are the last resort. Whenever I do the numbers, they just don't make sense unless you have something very unique and saleable. It is not girls that sell, it is ideas that are valuable and put gas in your Porsche. A good gag always sells and if you have that, you don't need a cash programme.

Yeah I can move my own traffic... then I get to thinking... okay... why not just promote other girls, lol.


Sabby:flash:

Hipchick 08-21-2006 07:51 AM

Re: $350 for acting in a porn flick?
 
Hey!!!! I am from here too...Gonzo and I are practically neighbors...And I love my fried bologna :blink:





http://www.oprano.com/phpAdsNew/advi...ank&n=abf60129

softball 08-21-2006 11:03 AM

Re: $350 for acting in a porn flick?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sabby
Yeah I can move my own traffic... then I get to thinking... okay... why not just promote other girls, lol.


Sabby:flash:

Why not just promote yourself? You already have the product, just package it, get involved in a niche that suits you, do some traffic exchanges that are complementary, and run it up the flag pole. I guarantee you it will fly. Stay away from affiliate marketing until you have some serious business going on. Why sell it when you can get it for free? Otherwise you are just working for someone else and don't really have your own business.

Toby 08-21-2006 11:08 AM

Re: $350 for acting in a porn flick?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rhetorical
Why not just promote yourself? You already have the product, just package it, get involved in a niche that suits you, do some traffic exchanges that are complementary, and run it up the flag pole. I guarantee you it will fly. Stay away from affiliate marketing until you have some serious business going on. Why sell it when you can get it for free? Otherwise you are just working for someone else and don't really have your own business.

There's no rule that says you can't do both, and most do. :okthumb:

gonzo 08-21-2006 11:10 AM

Re: $350 for acting in a porn flick?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Toby
There's no rule that says you can't do both, and most do. :okthumb:

Ill say it again. Its not as easy as throwing up a tour and a link to CCBill and then watch the money roll in.

softball 08-21-2006 11:53 AM

Re: $350 for acting in a porn flick?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Toby
There's no rule that says you can't do both, and most do. :okthumb:

You are right. There is no rule. But there are prudent tactics for success. The first "suggestion" I would make is "Why buy traffic when you can get it for free?"
Affiliate traffic is the number one most expensive traffic you can buy. As a small business it is best to avoid it where possible. There are also way less expensive ways to get focussed traffic than affiliates. When those avenues have been explored and are producing, then it is time to consider affiliate marketing.

JoesHO 08-21-2006 12:07 PM

Re: $350 for acting in a porn flick?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sabby
Yeah I can move my own traffic... then I get to thinking... okay... why not just promote other girls, lol.


Sabby:flash:


well sounds like you got it all figured out.

go get em...... :) good luck to you

if the amway/Mary K sales start to suck too always remember you can come back the milf group is a good 20 yr run .

Toby 08-21-2006 12:11 PM

Re: $350 for acting in a porn flick?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rhetorical
You are right. There is no rule. But there are prudent tactics for success. The first "suggestion" I would make is "Why buy traffic when you can get it for free?"
Affiliate traffic is the number one most expensive traffic you can buy. As a small business it is best to avoid it where possible. There are also way less expensive ways to get focussed traffic than affiliates. When those avenues have been explored and are producing, then it is time to consider affiliate marketing.

We've had this same discussion before so I'm not going rehash the same points all over again.

You talk as if using one excludes another and that's just not the case. The independent amatuers that are making the most bank are utilizing every promotional avenue available ALL AT THE SAME TIME!

softball 08-21-2006 12:23 PM

Re: $350 for acting in a porn flick?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Toby
We've had this same discussion before so I'm not going rehash the same points all over again.

You talk as if using one excludes another and that's just not the case. The independent amatuers that are making the most bank are utilizing every promotional avenue available ALL AT THE SAME TIME!

You know that for sure?

Toby 08-21-2006 12:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rhetorical
You know that for sure?

I've only been working with the amateur adult market since 1997, so maybe I don't know squat.

softball 08-21-2006 12:45 PM

Re: $350 for acting in a porn flick?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Toby
I've only been working with the amateur adult market since 1997, so maybe I don't know squat.

That wasn't the question, really. I have been working in the amateur market since 1998 and I don't always know what people earn. You, I would assume, know what you make off of websites, but that was not the question. I know your history so you don't have to reiterate. However, you dodged the question.


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