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Re: ***Zeinaheart.com Is Going To Go Online Soon Here's A Preview!!!!!!!***

I've been uncharacteristicly nice so far ... :)

but ...

It could be a "Schitzophrenic Porn" site tour! :p

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Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

bingo! :)

It is easier though to just say...

"Looks great , good luck with it"

;-))))

You bet it's easier. Like somebody died and made me "Matron of Porn Sites"?
The chick's a WYSIWYG. Let somebody else go nuts trying to teach her how to function.

If I'd gotten a pm, it would have been different. If WYSIWYG had pm'd anybody on this board, what she would have gotten would have been different. She didn't want advice. She wanted "happy." She got "happy."

The "made me cry on another board" even took that away as far as I'm concerned. As if it isn't fucking hard enough to be female in this business, we've got to deal with "the chick card" being yanked out when it's convenient.

If a male had said that all hell would have broken loose.

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Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

I cried when I read your post.

:)

;-)))

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Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

I cried when I read your post.

:)

;-)))

Unsurprisingly, I thought of you when I posted. :)

Re: ***Zeinaheart.com Is Going To Go Online Soon Here's A Preview!!!!!!!***

I cried when I found out you cried.
And then I figured that you probably lied
So I cried some more, oh yeah I cried.

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Originally Posted by sarettah

Who's dissing anyone......

When you ask for something and you get it, there is absolutely no resaon to complain.... :okthumb:

yes but i asked what you thought about the site design.. not if you thought i was hot or not..

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Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

""dissing""....

ahahahahahahaha for fucks sake...

And you feel sorry for me and Timon?

Thanks , I'm hardly able to make a meagre living in this business....

:)

This comment made me pee a little.

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Originally Posted by Zeina-Heart

yes but i asked what you thought about the site design.. not if you thought i was hot or not..

The concept is neat, but I'm definitely with Sabby on the splitting it up thing. I think you might do well to actually listen to these guys, Zeina, instead of trying to impress them. Not much impresses this crowd, with good reason.. to them they've seen a MILLION of you come and go. Make yourself the one who doesn't go, if you hear what they say and actually pay some attention, you might have a real chance at a long-term go of things. ;)

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Originally Posted by Zeina-Heart

yes but i asked what you thought about the site design.. not if you thought i was hot or not..

What you should want to know is what they think of the conversion potential of the site design, not what they think of it "artistically."

Remember to form all questions as "business questions" with an eye toward "how much money will this make" you.

There's nothing wrong with a good, smilie laden post. (I do it all the time.) However, never mix a "smilie" post with a "business post." The two don't go together and the aspect that suffers is the "business" part. You won't be taken seriously as a business person unless you can separate the two things.

And most of all, never, ever again post on one board that "another board was mean to me and made me cry." Will things on boards make you cry? Most likely. Cry in private. Smack back if you can. Walk away from the computer for a while, then take a deep breath and get the fuck over it.

*Nothing* matters except whether or not you make money. Nothing.

I'll even write a line for you:
The next time somebody tells you your site "sucks" or you're not attractive do this:

*smiles sweetly*
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't mean for YOU to check it out. The site is geared toward straight surfers. :)

Then get back to work learning from people who have done this and made money.

If someone told you this was going to be easy and fun...they lied.

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Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

Will things on boards make you cry? Most likely.

:blink: :blink: :blink:

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Originally Posted by DrGuile

:blink: :blink: :blink:

I know you don't get it.

She's new at this and emotionally attached to it. Eventually, if she sticks with it, she'll reach the point where nothing on a message board is even remembered three minutes later much less triggers an emotional reaction.

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Hmm... Me thinks it may be time to revisit Redpaw yet again.........

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Welcome To The Internet!

No one here likes you.

We're going to offend, insult, abuse, and belittle the living hell out of you. And when you rail against us with "FUCK YOU YOU GEEK WIMP SKATER GOTH LOSER PUNK FAG BITCH!1!!", we smile to ourselves. We laugh at you because you don't get it. Then we turn up the heat, hoping to draw more entertainment from your irrational fuming.

We will judge you, and we will find you unworthy. It is a trial by fire, and we won't even think about turning down the flames until you finally understand.

Some of you are smart enough to realize that, when you go online, it's like entering a foreign country ... and you know better than to ignorantly fuck with the locals. You take the time to listen and think before speaking. You learn, and by learning are gladly welcomed.

For some of you, it takes a while, then one day it all dawns on you - you get it, and are welcomed into the fold.

Some of you give up, and we breathe a sigh of relief - we didn't want you here anyway. And some of you just never get it. The offensively clueless have a special place in our hearts - as objects of ridicule. We don't like you, but we do love you.

You will get mad. You will tell us to go to hell, and call us "nerds" and "geeks". Don't bother ... we already know exactly what we are. And, much like the way hardcore rap has co-opted the word "nigger", turning an insult around on itself to become a semiserious badge of honor, so have we done.

"How dare you! I used to beat the crap out of punks like you in high school/college!" You may have owned the playing field because you were an athlete. You may have owned the student council because you were more popular. You may have owned the hallways and sidewalks because you were big and intimidating. Well, welcome to our world.

Things like athleticism, popularity, and physical prowess mean nothing here. We place no value on them ... or what car you drive, the size of your bank account, what you do for a living or where you went to school.

Allow us to introduce you to the concept of a "meritocracy" - the closest thing to a form of self-government we have. In The United Meritocratic nation-states of the Internet, those who can do, rule. Those who wish to rule, learn. Everyone else watches from the stands.

You may posses everything in the off-line world. We don't care. You come to the Internet penniless, lacking the only thing of real value here: knowledge.

"Who cares? The Internet isn't real anyway!" This attitude is universally unacceptable. The Internet is real. Real people live behind those handles and screen names. Real machines allow it to exist. It's real enough to change government policy, real enough to feed the world's hungry, and even, for some of us, real enough to earn us a paycheck. Using your own definition, how "real" is your job? Your stock portfolio? Your political party? What is the meaning of "real", anyway?

Do I sound arrogant? Sure ... to you. Because you probably don't get it yet.

If you insist on staying, then, at the very least, follow these advices:

No one, ESPECIALLY YOU, will make any law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Use your brain before ever putting fingers to keys.

Do you want a picture of you getting anally raped by Bill Clinton while you're performing oral sex on a cow saved to hundreds of thousands of people's hard drives? No? Then don't put your fucking picture on the Internet. We can, will, and probably already HAVE altered it in awful ways. Expect it to show up on an equally offensive website.

Realize that you are never, EVER going to get that, or any other, offensive web page taken down. Those of us who run those sites LIVE to piss off people like you. Those of us who don't run those sites sometimes visit them just to read the hatemail from fools like you.

Oh, you say you're going to a lawyer? Be prepared for us to giggle with girlish delight, and for your lawyer to laugh in your face after he explains current copyright and parody law.

The Web is not the Internet. Stop referring to it that way.

We have already received the e-mail you are about to forward to us. Shut up.

Don't reply to spam. You are not going to be "unsubscribed".

Don't ever use the term "cyberspace" (only William Gibson gets to say that, and even he hasn't really used it for two or three books now). Likewise, you prove yourself a marketing-hype victim if you ever use the term "surfing".

With one or two notable exceptions, chat rooms will not get you laid.

It's a hoax, not a virus warning.

The internet is made up of thousands of computers, all connected but owned by different people. Learn how to use *your* computer before attempting to connect it to someone else's.

The first person who offers to help you is really just trying to fuck with you for entertainment. So is the second. And the third. And me.

Never insult someone who's been active in any group longer than you have. You may as well paint a damn target on your back.

Never get comfortable and arrogant behind your supposed mask of anonymity. Don't be surprised when your name, address, and home phone number get thrown back in your smug face. Hell, some of us will snail-mail you a printed satellite photograph of your house to drive the point home. Realize that you are powerless if this happens ... it's all public information, and information is our stock and trade.

No one thinks you are as cool as you think you are.

You aren't going to win any argument that you start.

If you're on AOL, don't worry about anything I've said here. You're already a fucking laughing stock, and there's no hope for you.

If you can't take a joke, immediately sell your computer to someone who can. RIGHT NOW.

Pissed off? It's the TRUTH, not these words, that hurts your feelings. Don't ever even pretend like I've gone & hurt them.

We don't like you. We don't want you here. We never will. Save us all the trouble and go away.

(originally published by Robert "redpaw" Jung at Deeplight.net. Robert Jung is webmaster, chief techmonkey and managing editor of deeplight.)

Re: ***Zeinaheart.com Is Going To Go Online Soon Here's A Preview!!!!!!!***

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Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

LOL....oh no , you didn't!!! lol

How long have you been doing this?

And when are you gonna reach the point """where nothing on a message board is even remembered three minutes later much less triggers an emotional reaction""" ???? ;-))))

Until then you were doing great btw , imho..

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There is nothing remarkable about your tour. It looks like many, many other paysites.

While it pains me to admit it :) , pushpills gave some pretty good advice.

The angel and devil thing might work if you push the theme on one page with some very creative graphics and text, but it's such a common theme (maybe not in porn, but overall) that it will take some doing to make it stand out.

I don't think it works very well as it is now, as others have told you.

Making it stand out is your other problem. The person in the pictures on your site is an attractive person. There are thousands of attractive persons appearing on porn sites. There are probably hundreds of attractive persons trying to run their own porn sites.

Whoever is selling the person depicted on the pictures is going to need something that makes this site stand out from them. So far, I don't see that, and neither has most of the board.

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Originally Posted by Dravyk

I've been uncharacteristicly nice so far ... :)

but ...

It could be a "Schitzophrenic Porn" site tour! :p

Or one of a "Role Playing Faker" if you try to be everything to everybody - you really gotta be careful of that.

Trust me I know. Its easier to get away with if you are selling private shows - but still not a smart idea. For a membership site you really must stick with an image and go with it.

Even with my cam shows I did a really stupid thing. I decided to do the hardcore boy/girl... different login name and everything but I still managed to piss off many of my regular clients I had as a solo girl.

On guy who used to spend $100+ DAILY on me actually sent me a nasty email. "Look, I know you must have a man in real life... But I really do not want to see it or hear about it". And then he never talked to me ever again!

I thought his pissy reaction was a tad overboard Myself, but that didnt really matter. What really mattered was that I lost a customer who spent over $3K a month!

Of course I still made money with guys who like the hardcore shows... but there is no way he can keep up with me on cam regularly for an 8 hour shift - and he has other shit to do. So it was sooo not worth it. And alot harder work for me too.

Sabby:flash:

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Originally Posted by Sabby

OK , I'm in love.

A hard nosed ruthless mercenary woman with a little ass and big tits!

Where were you 20 yrs ago !?!?!?!?!

(I know..."middle school")

;-))

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Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

I started to write a response in the post box, then decided it would be better in email.

Then I shrugged and deleted the whole thing.

Be careful what you wish for, Nick. It can really suck sometimes when you get it.

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Ok Zeina, between PD, Pushpills, Sabby, Morgan and several others, you have gotten some pretty solid advice and criticism here...

Now, the question is, what are you going to do with it ? :blink:

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Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

I am however thinking of sending traffic to makingcoins and Jayman's sites after Xmass.

This makes me smile. :okthumb:

Re: ***Zeinaheart.com Is Going To Go Online Soon Here's A Preview!!!!!!!***

Well I'll say this much

This thread got many views so mission accomplished
Job well done

side note to Sin
What I said is not opinion, it is fact. Dress it up however you want
http://www.zeinaheart.com/images/a-pic04.jpg
is not attractive in any way, shape, form or fetish

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Hmmm.... I actually like that pic to be honest, out of the ones I've seen that's one of the better ones.

She might not be attractive to you, but you can't really rate what will sell based solely on what you like or don't like.

Example, I'm not a fan of BBW, but it sells.

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I'd be curious actually Vick to hear why you think that image you posted is not at all attractive...

She has a pretty good looking ass, slender legs, nicely rounded breasts, full lips (although they look kind of pouty), shiny hair, 2 eyebrows instead of one... good skin...

The setting is not the most glamourous, it looks like she is giving herself a wedgie, and the picture could stand to be larger & higher definition...

but as far as Zeina herself goes, and looking at it from a "surfer" point of view, she's pretty hot. "I'd hit it" as the saying goes.

Her attitude on the boards, leaves plenty to be desired however.

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Originally Posted by Sin

A fact of this business...

The lowest factor of production in this business is content.

Why?

They are like buses , wait 5 mins and another one will come buy.

And lets be honest women willing to strip naked for a camera are 2 a penny.

Therefore..if I want to work with or help or deal with content I can afford to be pick and choose.If she has an attitude.I'd pass.A chip on her shoulder..pass. A lack of professionalism..pass

Sorry , but anyone who knows this game will agree.

The highest paid content I would guess makes less than a C+ mailer.

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Okay, and I do agree that Zeina needs an attitude adjustment in a big way, I thought it was something to do with physical features and/or photography that Vick was referring to.

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Originally Posted by Sin

Okay, and I do agree that Zeina needs an attitude adjustment in a big way, I thought it was something to do with physical features and/or photography that Vick was referring to.

IMHO

(and I'm not taking the piss...I am not an oil painting ,I admit...but I do not live off my looks (fortunately))

she is alright

Sure I'd hit it.

But I , like my men would hit nearly anything with a pulse.

With so many sites and so much content , you have to be HOLY FUCKING SHIT WOW!!! or like Jenna Jameson ,say, able to show what an amzing fuck she'd be from her first movie.

Or you have to have something different or special.

Great attitude ,say , with a cam girl will earn her waaaay more money than a far prettier girl with a lousy attitude.
Huge tits..
willing to do weird shit..

whatever...

With many beautiful women willing to get involved in porn (mainly i think as a result of the internet needing more and also "freeing" women to do it. To be in porn is not sooo taboo as it was prior to internet porn imho

Or find your niche...

there may well be a market for men that like "snotty , decent looking not ugly , women"..if so Zeinna will clean up ;-)))

don't get me on a rant here... lol

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Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

Reading your posts I think I'd love to get you on a rant, your intelligence leaks out when you do & I love reading intelligent AND passionate posts, but that's me! :D

I guess it all depends on what Zeina is hoping to gain from this experience, having her own site. If she's hoping to get rich, she's a tad late getting on the 'solo girl' bus anyhow is she not?

I've also got to say I can't say I recall ever seeing the content let loose on the boards to make a bad impression -before- the site is released...

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Originally Posted by Sin

Her face looks seriously distorted (see the area around the lips/cheek) like a bad Frankenstein experiment or industrial iron gone wild

Bad hair, I don't see shiny. I see do it yourself at home letting your hair school buddy practice on your hair

Crack skinny arms (and I'm skinny)

Poorly applied red lipstick that in no way matches her checked outfit

She looks like a sad/bad $20 crack prostitute, the parking garage thing just doesn't work

Would you bring her home to Mom? Or to your canine?

I certainly would not even consider having any sort of relations with the person in that picture. The idea of sex with that scares the hell out of me

My days of being even remotely attractive are long over but if your putting yourself out there to sell it should be a damn good looking woman

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Originally Posted by Vick

The position in which she is standing is hardly one that could be called flattering to face or hair, she is pouting which for me is taking away from the pic, it would've turned out a lot better IMO if she'd been smiling, and the hair is at least not 'dull' or 'frizzy' ...although the 'shine' might be from grease. Overall however, these are things easily enough changed simply by having her stand in a different manner

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Originally Posted by Vick

Crack skinny arms (and I'm skinny)

Poorly applied red lipstick that in no way matches her checked outfit

She looks like a sad/bad $20 crack prostitute, the parking garage thing just doesn't work

Can't argue the arms, although when I was 19 I had arms just like that... I didn't start building my upper body strength until I was 21, and that was because I was fed up with looking disproportionate.

The lipstick may or may not be poorly applied, I'm still convinced she's pouting (which leads to the strange shape of her mouth, and 'distortion' of the face)

I most definitely & whole heartedly agree the parking garage thing is awful.

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Originally Posted by Vick

Would you bring her home to Mom? Or to your canine?

I certainly would not even consider having any sort of relations with the person in that picture. The idea of sex with that scares the hell out of me

My days of being even remotely attractive are long over but if your putting yourself out there to sell it should be a damn good looking woman

My mother doesn't even know that I drink yet, so...

I'm not a lesbian, so I don't find women sexually attractive in the slightest (no offense ladies)

Now that last statement is one I can wholeheartedly agree with! :D Unfortunately.... as a very wise man once told me, typical average surfer is going to be some fat ugly lazy slob who can't get a date, much less get laid, and is going to have an easier time fantasizing about an individual he could actually envision himself with realistically...

...and it was very good advice too... the ugly, the shocking, the downright appalling, tends to convert.

I do think however that if you cannot handle criticism, (the way Zeina was unable to handle the criticism she received here before)...that you should not be getting in front of a camera for any reason whatsoever. Me, I'd say about half of the reasoning behind a good portion of my pics, is specifically for critique, to see "through someone else's eyes" what I need to work on/improve usually as far as fitness goes...sometimes hair, or clothing... example of the last one is a pair of pink pants I bought a while ago, I wore them with a black shirt & a blue bra one day & when I got home I decided to take a few pics because hey, these pants rocked & I looked hot, right? Hahahaha. wrong. I looked like a big pink blob with shiny blue orbs glowing from beneath my very unflattering black shirt. I haven't worn that outfit since, its clearly not flattering to me.