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aeon 08-23-2005 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by The Other Steve
SMS is quite big here in Australia
These dorks obviously haven't seen a fresh piece of pussy in years. Chicks are obsessed with text messaging and I hate it for that reason alone. Whoever the absolute fucking idiot it was that decided to give women the ability to write fuckin novella's with a phone should be shot.

It’s a great idea for marketing tho...we just need to prohibit women from being able to use it.

Peaches 08-23-2005 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by aeon
Whoever the absolute fucking idiot it was that decided to give women the ability to write fuckin novella's with a phone should be shot.
I resemble that remark :whistling

Dravyk 08-23-2005 08:12 PM
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Ok, serious question for "the rest of the world" outside of North America ...

SMS -- Why?

In the US we just phone the other person on our cells and talk. Sometimes we use the walkie-talkie feature.

Why text when you can talk?

Is it possible -- and I do not know, that's why I am asking -- that the US phone prices are cheaper than elsewhere?

Just as Other Steve said people texting everywhere. You walk down the street here and everyone is walking down the pavement with a cell to their ear. Get on a bus and there's usually three people on it talking. Hell, if I have to wait at the pharmacy 15 minutes for a prescription pickup I usually end up having a chat.

JR 08-23-2005 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Dravyk
Ok, serious question for "the rest of the world" outside of North America ...

SMS -- Why?

In the US we just phone the other person on our cells and talk. Sometimes we use the walkie-talkie feature.

Why text when you can talk?

Is it possible -- and I do not know, that's why I am asking -- that the US phone prices are cheaper than elsewhere?

Just as Other Steve said people texting everywhere. You walk down the street here and everyone is walking down the pavement with a cell to their ear. Get on a bus and there's usually three people on it talking. Hell, if I have to wait at the pharmacy 15 minutes for a prescription pickup I usually end up having a chat.
there is no "walkie talkie" feature in the rest of the world. Most countries have one primary standard... GSM. in the US, you have 10 big companies with their own standards trying to dominate the market with thier own standard, which is probably a primary reason that it takes a long time for a particular technology to catch on.

The US has ALWAYS been far behind the curve in this area in both trends and technology. This has been true since mobile phones were invented... the US has lagged behind. Ring tone sites were making millions in Europe in the mid-late 90's before people in the US even heard of a ring tone. Today, you can turn on MTV in almost any european country and there are more commercials for shit like Ring tones, sms chat lines/dating and other crap than real products. In some countries, MTV or any music channel plays a video and at the bottom of the screen, there is a number to call to get the ringtone, sms to vote on the song etc etc.

SMS is cheaper usually to send a quick message and Europe does not typically have cell plans like the US where you can get a gazillion minutes for almost nothing. and SMS message usually costs a fixed amount like .05/message, whereas a quick phone call in Russia for example to say the same thing would cost a 1.00 or more - it is important to people who make very little money. if you are the typical chatty teen, that is a lot of money every month.

JR 08-23-2005 08:46 PM
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also, in my case, i send SMS messages to europe all the time. sweden, spain, russia, ukraine and so on. it costs almost nothing for instant, mobile communication where i can also get an instant reply. its basically like a simplified mobile e-mail. thats why i have phones like the Treo 650 and Nokia 7280 with keyboards. its quick and cheap.

aeon 08-23-2005 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Weg Cory
In Los Angeles, a new variety rock radio station offering listeners everything from Classic Rock to 90’s Rock does not reveal on-air the lineup. Instead, they request you log on to their website and follow the streaming playlist.

Interesting?

The radio station is the main hub of the business platform, or so we would logically assume. But their vigilant push towards their e-based presence is very telling in another way.

Dave has the capital whereas most people do not. Capital is king in business. Starbucks is known for opening up operations near Coffee Beans and losing money with the intention of shutting down the competition. They knock the brands off the streets. They can afford to lose revenue on certain operations. Coffee Bean really can’t (or so I will assume for the sake of this thread). People cry about this on the news every night. The despair of one mom and pop pharmacy shutting down in Kansas for a Wal-Mart which hires 10 times more employees and offers benefits is viewed by the public as the gateway to hell.

It is a simple concept and one that I hope finally takes the inevitable “economist” shape. I open a car wash across the street from a resident car wash. I lower the price and offer a free oil change with every car wash. I break even and still eat every night. The car wash across the street shuts down. I buy the lot; open a laundry mat, etc…One or two others can move into the market and compete, but thousands simply can’t.

The Internet has a flaw in business philosophy and that flaw is continuously exposed and utilized in very self-defeating ways. Nick can have as much money as he likes, he can never prevent me from pillaging one sale a day from him. He can hardly prevent me from undercutting him via unsavory business practices. I have the ability to aspire to make one sale per day. What other medium allows this?

What Dave is doing is removing himself in an isolated fashion from this current, unorthodox business ideology and placing himself in more conventional territory. He is putting himself in the eyes of consumers that can’t completely be accessed by some guy harboring a few domains. TGP’s will not be purchasing this ad space.

Consumers hit Cyberage and Dave presents them with the Adult Internet. They see some trailers and free pictures and then they pay for a member area. That is how the Internet works right? You pay for a product? : )

Otherwise, the consumer hits the Internet, does a search, hits a site filled with $2000 content blowout and may or may not purchase. They could have hit a site with exclusive content not harvesting their emails. Business philosophy flawed.

Dave is just leveling the playing field. It will level itself independently some day. But as with everything, there are no guarantees.

If I want you to listen to my streaming radio station on a daily basis, I need to get you there first. Otherwise, the saturation of an open market will bury me.
You're a long winded fucker but mark my words...the day will come when I hire you. You're too intelligent for porn.

Raven 08-23-2005 08:52 PM
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The generations coming up are evolving...their thumb structures are changing to accomodate the gaming controllers....this whole target market loves cell phones....and text messaging.....in Europe and Asia, it's all over the place and every age group uses their cells for everything.....

I personally hate it, especially those tiny little keyboards.... but, I see the money and I can't argue with that.

Peaches 08-23-2005 09:02 PM
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It takes me 30 seconds to type out a text message for a conversation that would seriously be 5 minutes from start to finish.

Dravyk 08-23-2005 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Peaches
It takes me 30 seconds to type out a text message for a conversation that would seriously be 5 minutes from start to finish.
I haven't tried it, but I'd think for me it would be the exact opposite -- take five mintues to type out what I can say in 30 seconds.

JR, not to put all of your very good post into a few words -- appreciate everything you said -- but to hone in: the lack of walkie-talkie feature and the higher cost per minute. That's what I thought was probably the difference.

As for "there is a number to call to get the ringtone, sms to vote on the song etc etc" absolute fascinating! I appreciate that insight!

Nickatilynx 08-23-2005 09:09 PM
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They should increase the popularity of text messaging by doing an advertisement campaign with everyone text messaging each other:

WASSUP?
WASSSSSSSUP!!!!!!
WASSUPPPP~!!!

etc.

A new take on a classic ad.

;-)

Dravyk 08-23-2005 09:13 PM
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The T-Mobile sidekick ad with Snoop Dog, Paris Hilton, Wayne Newton and whatever was actually the best demonstration -- and most memorable -- of any text messaging ad I've seen.

JR 08-23-2005 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Dravyk
I haven't tried it, but I'd think for me it would be the exact opposite -- take five mintues to type out what I can say in 30 seconds.

JR, not to put all of your very good post into a few words -- appreciate everything you said -- but to hone in: the lack of walkie-talkie feature and the higher cost per minute. That's what I thought was probably the difference.

As for "there is a number to call to get the ringtone, sms to vote on the song etc etc" absolute fascinating! I appreciate that insight!
i think price and technology are factors. i think that the EU and Asia are also consistently ahead on the technology curve as well. phones have also been more effectively marketed as fashion accessories and personal fashion statements outside the US, while we are still excited that our phone actually has a camera. i noticed this in Korea in the mid-late 90's when everyone had little phones around their necks, countless colors and designs and all the cool accessories. if you want a mobile phone in the US, the options are really limited from any provider.

as far as technology... the 3G stuff for example, has been happening in EU and Asia for a few years now... like always, it will hit critical mass outside the US probably before it is being used in the US... and it will seem like something that came comepletely out of nowhere, when in reality, it has been on the market and gaining steam for years outside the US.

Nickatilynx 08-23-2005 09:27 PM
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I wonder if I am an Average Joe.

We had the walkie talkies , were constantly bleeping each other , text messaging , etc etc.

In the end it was easier to call.

Had the siemens web phone thingy. Wasn't compatable with site i need to visit whilst mobile. ie banks.

gave it back in the end.

maybe its just me...

JR 08-23-2005 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Nickatilynx
I wonder if I am an Average Joe.

We had the walkie talkies , were constantly bleeping each other , text messaging , etc etc.

In the end it was easier to call.

Had the siemens web phone thingy. Wasn't compatable with site i need to visit whilst mobile. ie banks.

gave it back in the end.

maybe its just me...

for me - easier to send a quick message "is the server down" or "are you into anal sex" or whatever, from anywhere in the world and get an answer in a few seconds.

http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/i/z/rv/20...50-300x500.gif

Dravyk 08-23-2005 10:04 PM
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Nick, I think you (and I) are "North American Joe Average".

JR, the gif of your cell is sweet!

I agree the rest of the world is so ahead of us here, as consumers, that it's plain scary.

Ditto RDIF and "contactless payments". CJ told me six months ago about paying her parking meter in Brisbane with her cell. Japan has been doing the vending machine payment through cell phones since, I dunno when.

I know when it does hit N.A. it is going to be a tsunami. The change will be very quick and it will be everywhere. It will be like Rip Van Winkle, especially for those of us over 24. We'll wake up and kids will be waving their credit cards and phones in the air and taking their MickyD meals away, and we'll be going "huh? what happened?"

... They'll be stopping at a vending machine, face it, do something with something in their hand and take out the can of soda and continue walking, and we'll be "did you see that? how did she get a soda without putting any money in the machine? did you see her put money in the machine"?

The major problem is as you said ten companies competing, no standards yet. I'm sure a lot of ushere in N.A. want badly to get into the crest of the wave and make money off of this. I sure would love to as well. The major problem is, we still don't know which wave. Which technology will be adopted, which of dozens of competing methodologies to back, how to do the integration. :(

Thing is, giant companies here with mega funding are having the same problem. It's not only which horse to back in the race, it's also which race are they running in and on what day at what track.

Raven 08-23-2005 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Peaches
It takes me 30 seconds to type out a text message for a conversation that would seriously be 5 minutes from start to finish.
It takes me five minutes to type a thirty second response on a laptop keyboard.

Can you imagine what would happen with a cell phone? I'd be typing for hours.

Nickatilynx 08-23-2005 10:35 PM
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today I was in a car park advertising "Don't get wet,pay us with yr cellphone"

It seems you text message when arrive and when you leave

gonzo 08-23-2005 10:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JR
for me - easier to send a quick message "is the server down" or "are you into anal sex" or whatever, from anywhere in the world and get an answer in a few seconds.

http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/i/z/rv/20...50-300x500.gif

http://www.tmobile.com/promos/sidekickII.asp

Nickatilynx 08-23-2005 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Nickatilynx
today I was in a car park advertising "Don't get wet,pay us with yr cellphone"

It seems you text message when arrive and when you leave
or of course you can just not pay and risk the ticket.

So far I'm well ahead of the game ;-)))

Anthony 08-23-2005 11:03 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JR
for me - easier to send a quick message "is the server down" or "are you into anal sex" or whatever, from anywhere in the world and get an answer in a few seconds.

http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/i/z/rv/20...50-300x500.gif
We use SMS alot in our group. Funny enough, we all have TREO 650's.

Anthony 08-23-2005 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by gonzo
TREO' were in the top ten products for 2005. Sidekicks were nowhere on the list.

Hell Puppy 08-23-2005 11:06 PM
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SMS used properly is a fast way to deliver a short message. If I just wanna tell someone breakfast is at 3AM at Steak 'n Shake, I can do it in 30 seconds or less. If I do the same thing voice it would be considered rude as fuck.

ring
ring
ring

"hello"

"breakfast at steak 'n shake at 3AM"

click

Doesn't work that way, you gotta have the obligatory chit chat.

People who insist upon voice calls suck the hours right out of the day. Most of the people who are "voice people" are also the ones who are a royal pain in the ass to get off the phone, and also prone to call you at the most inconvenient times.

SMS is much like ICQ or email, much less intrusive. You can read the message, prioritize and reply when appropriate.

JR 08-24-2005 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Anthony
We use SMS alot in our group. Funny enough, we all have TREO 650's.
i love the treo. i had a 600 and bought a 650. i have an ipaq as well. er... had. i threw it out the window of my car when it froze up for the umpteenth time. in a word, they are worthless. its not a good phone, not a good pda - which defeats the purpose of either type of user buying it.

i think Hellpuppy completely... its less intrusive and quicker.

The Other Steve 08-24-2005 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Dravyk
I haven't tried it, but I'd think for me it would be the exact opposite -- take five mintues to type out what I can say in 30 seconds.

JR, not to put all of your very good post into a few words -- appreciate everything you said -- but to hone in: the lack of walkie-talkie feature and the higher cost per minute. That's what I thought was probably the difference.

As for "there is a number to call to get the ringtone, sms to vote on the song etc etc" absolute fascinating! I appreciate that insight!
There is another point to this too - they can be having 5 or 6 sms conversations all at the same time. It can't be done if they're using voice communications.

The Other Steve 08-24-2005 01:49 AM
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Dravyk - there's a tollway down in Melbourne where you can pay your toll online or via your cellphone.

I'm sure it won't be long before your car can talk to you via SMS to remind you that it needs a service - or you'll be able to quiz your car via SMS to check on possible problems that that might arise in the days ahead.

The level of AI in cars today is amazing and it's only a matter of time before we will be communicating with them.

There is already a degree of that happening with modern railroad locos. The maintentance department can look into the computer files of a loco that's out on the road and have it tell them what things they need to look at at the next service.

Dravyk 08-24-2005 02:24 AM
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Originally Posted by The Other Steve
There is another point to this too - they can be having 5 or 6 sms conversations all at the same time. It can't be done if they're using voice communications.
Hand held ICQ, in other words. :)

Yeah, I agree with you about the car. So does MicroSoft unfortunately. So help me if Windows ever gets into autos like they want -- well the Blue Screen of Death could become all too real.

slavdogg 08-24-2005 05:48 AM
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with the bluetooth ads, i cant imagine it working well
Do people actually keep their bluetooth ON most of the time ??
I've always found it draining my batteries like crazy on any phone i've had.

bluetooth sucks IMO

Raven 08-24-2005 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by slavdogg
with the bluetooth ads, i cant imagine it working well
Do people actually keep their bluetooth ON most of the time ??
I've always found it draining my batteries like crazy on any phone i've had.

bluetooth sucks IMO
Bluetooth has been berry berry good to me for shows...when I don't hear my phone ring..and when I'm driving.

Other than that...I never use it.

But, I do like it, even though it sucks the life out of the phone battery...it's lightweight...and I can hear my phone ringing....

gonzo 08-24-2005 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Anthony
TREO' were in the top ten products for 2005. Sidekicks were nowhere on the list.
Now aint that some shit? Me and Snoop like ours.

Peaches 08-24-2005 10:31 AM
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I was talking to a guy last week who was in the process of moving all his info from his Treo to a Razr. He didn't like the size of the Treo. I think I would be the same, even though it had a much easier way to SMS. I don't need all the calendar stuff - I have a pug calendar for that :)

EroticySteve 08-24-2005 10:36 AM
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Branding has a value. That's for sure. However, to rely on branding as the success metric of a business isn't what Wall St. or even net investors are looking for when they are hedging their bets on the success of an entity. Branding is an asset when you're already a market leader and seek to maintain a competitive lead in your industry. However, as marketer who's worked on an independent basis with some very large mainstream companies, offline corporations and online corporations I can say that branding was a side effect of good marketing for me, not the goal.

I have been involved in $50 million dollar upstart marketing and branding budgets. Oh how I miss the dot com frenzy at times.

gonzo 08-24-2005 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by EroticySteve

I have been involved in $50 million dollar upstart marketing and branding budgets. Oh how I miss the dot com frenzy at times.
Dont we all! SPend all the budget so you can get twice the next time!

EroticySteve 08-24-2005 12:36 PM
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Ain't that the truth. I remember how I kept saying. "Look we need a revenue model, otherwise we'll be out of business in a year." Well, I was right. The goal back then was only to build free membership, Wall Street is looking for a marketable base of members.

Those guys were partially right. Mostly wrong though.

CyberAge-Dave 08-24-2005 03:52 PM
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I am impressed. An actual Business thread.
Good job aeon.

Thanks guys for the props on the commercial.

Thanks aeon for pointing me in this direction.

-=Dave

PornoDoggy 08-24-2005 04:36 PM
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My middle daughter has a phone with a mini-keyboard.

She told me the reason I don't text is simple - I'm old.

Hell Puppy 08-24-2005 07:15 PM
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I leave bluetooth on all the time. And yes, it does munch on the battery pretty hard by doing so. But fuck it, i'll charge more often in exchange for the convenience of not having to go into settings and turn it on and off when I want to use it. Now I just need a new car with bluetooth built in....

Hell Puppy 08-24-2005 07:32 PM
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Handhelds are almost a religious issue. People tend to defend their own favorite vigorously or diss the ones they're jealous of.

There are really only 3 worth considering at the moment IMO, and each has it's own strengths and weaknesses...

Blackberry -- If email is your thing, it's the best at handling it. Keyboard is very usable. However, it's weak on the IM and web surfing side. The 7100 is the size of a typical phone.

Treo -- If you're a PIM lover, this is the absolute best choice. Also good for the ability to add pocket apps to do just about anything. Decent web rendering and usability and good messaging if you can handle the tiny keyboard. Works great if you stick with WAP enabled sites. Single tasks though due to nature of Palm OS. Very pricey though still.

Sidekick II -- By far the best all around balance of messaging, email and surfing. The device was built specifically for wireless internet access, and the OS backgrounds very very well, far better than the other two. Renders pages well regardless of formatting and deals admirably with things like web forms. The first generation was not very durable, but they got it right with the second generation. Very cool form factor with the largest screen and keyboard of the bunch. However, it sucks as a PIM, and if you use a wireless for 90% or more email and rarely surf, the email features of the blackberry are superior. But if you want to surf and do all of the above, hard to beat.

Now the downside to all of the above is you greatly compromise the phone features. Of the 3, the blackberry has the best phone functionality. Sidekick II is usable as a phone, Treo tests most people's patience.

Raven 08-25-2005 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by PornoDoggy
My middle daughter has a phone with a mini-keyboard.

She told me the reason I don't text is simple - I'm old.
I do enough text with messenging services. Not that I'm a great fan of humanity; but, you can hear inflection and tone when you actually speak to one of them.

aeon 08-25-2005 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave
Thanks aeon for pointing me in this direction.

-=Dave
Welcome to the clusterfuck that is oprano buddy.

Grab some metamucil, put on some depends, and enjoy the show.

Hell Puppy 08-25-2005 12:36 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by aeon
Welcome to the clusterfuck that is oprano buddy.

Grab some metamucil, put on some depends, and enjoy the show.
Metamucil?

We dont need no stinking metamucil.

We have sushi and seafood buffets!


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