Programs I made fortunes with all had GREAT business models...

1.) Serge
2.) High Society
3.) Paris Hilton

All really sound business models , and there business model was this..

"Our check will be bigger for exactly the same traffic"

Veterans and Pros count money , newbies fret over clicks.

Right, I agree 100%, which is why you should send your traffic to programs that have a sound business model.

It just makes sense.

now, ask me for our signup link :) [/b][/quote]
and we got there :)

Not quite, it was a sound business model because there was no competition, and they werent going to disapear since they were hugely profitable from cheating everyone...


....man... where was I then??


:biglaugh:

Now you mention it , my money is on you being in one of the following places:

a.) High school
b.) Prison
c.) France
d.) Gay bar
e.) Wales
f.) pissing me off on another board in a different name.

;-))))

"""""because there was no competition, and they werent going to disapear since they were hugely profitable from cheating everyone..."""""

What ? You REALLY think none of those are left?

Probably college for most of it...



Ever heard the Electric Six song "Gay Bar"?

http://www.drguile.com/temp/gaybar.avi

Im sure its right up your alley...

So, in other words, it's NOT traffic where he has any expectations of any remuneration of any kind in return? So it's "shave proof" anyway? (i.e. you can't steal part of what's 100% yours anyway?).

It has nothing to do with who gets the email addy first.....that hit was sent to purchase a membership. If there is a 'free' email offer on the page it lowers the chances of my surfer buying a membership.

If I wanted to collect emails off my traffic, I could do that myself.....but, I've never been into mailing, and choose to send my traffic to sponsors and sell memberships.

I'm not saying I never send traffic to sponsors who use mail boxes....I'm just saying that logically, it will lower my chances for a sign up.

So, in other words, it's NOT traffic where he has any expectations of any remuneration of any kind in return? So it's "shave proof" anyway? (i.e. you can't steal part of what's 100% yours anyway?). [/b][/quote]
It's a trade off!

I would go deeper but you don't get it and I want to answer gigi!


:huh:

It has nothing to do with who gets the email addy first.....that hit was sent to purchase a membership. If there is a 'free' email offer on the page it lowers the chances of my surfer buying a membership.

If I wanted to collect emails off my traffic, I could do that myself.....but, I've never been into mailing, and choose to send my traffic to sponsors and sell memberships.

I'm not saying I never send traffic to sponsors who use mail boxes....I'm just saying that logically, it will lower my chances for a sign up. [/b][/quote]
Any hit that is sent, is sent in the hopes of a purchase!

Strip what you can then fingers crossed that you've pushed the sale and the paysite hits all the right buttons!


Email boxes, do not a hard-on soften!

:pearl:

:pearl:

Dammit, Enforcer... serves me right, I should read the WHOLE page (and then refresh a few times) before posting. :lol:

Are you talking about traffic which you bought and paid for? [/b][/quote]
huh?
Greenguy's traffic is free last time I checked...

how about traffic from Yahoo? are you sending them their cut?

ultimately, traffic is the commodity, the sponsor is your custom, so sell it to the guy who pays you the most for it (based upon your own outbound click count of course)

When they are at my site that traffic is mine. Thats just like these jackasses that sell clicks with all sorts of restrictions. Fuck you if Im paying for it Ill do what I want with it.

But that is assuming you've bought the traffic (or otherwise obtained "ownership", like having it given to you for free, traded something of value for it, etc. In the case of someone consigning you the traffic (as is usually the case in what we're talking here), it's not so clear. When someone is "running their traffic thru your site", and you've made some arrangements with them to split revenue derived from that traffic, or give them a fixed amount if their traffic joins your site, I'm not sure at all that you can call it "your traffic".

Absolutely. It's just that the agreement is that their cut is zero. Same with the free traffic from Greenguy or anyone else who sends you traffic for free. but when someone sends you traffic and expects a percentage of what's earned off of that traffic, it's a different story.

Let's go back to yahoo/google, etc.: you pay them for either adwords or clicks*, they send you traffic, that's the end of it. But if a search engine made a deal with you that you would send them a certain percentage of $ made from their traffic, then anything you do which taks that traffic to earn $ which don't get shared, is going around the deal you made.



* or not at all, in the simple case of SEO hits.

I have thought the exact same thing, when we have paid for TGP spots... ;-)))

But that is assuming you've bought the traffic (or otherwise obtained "ownership", like having it given to you for free, traded something of value for it, etc. In the case of someone consigning you the traffic (as is usually the case in what we're talking here), it's not so clear. When someone is "running their traffic thru your site", and you've made some arrangements with them to split revenue derived from that traffic, or give them a fixed amount if their traffic joins your site, I'm not sure at all that you can call it "your traffic". [/b][/quote]
No one "runs traffic through" a sponsors site, they send traffic to the site hoping (as has been posted) to make a sale.

Somewhere along the lines webmasters got some strange notion of traffic "ownership". There is no ownership, and what a sponsor does with traffic sent to them is 100% their decision. You can choose to direct traffic to them or not.

To everyone that has ever believed that traffic is the end all in this business, I say - try eating it.

Send your traffic where it makes you the most money and shut up already.

MONEY is the end all in EVERY business

:pearl:

No one "runs traffic through" a sponsors site, they send traffic to the site hoping (as has been posted) to make a sale.

Somewhere along the lines webmasters got some strange notion of traffic "ownership". There is no ownership, and what a sponsor does with traffic sent to them is 100% their decision. You can choose to direct traffic to them or not.

To everyone that has ever believed that traffic is the end all in this business, I say - try eating it.

Send your traffic where it makes you the most money and shut up already.

MONEY is the end all in EVERY business [/b][/quote]
:okthumb:

Now why didn'y I say that :D

That's that.







cant believe I didnt get any comments on the Gay Bar video...

Thats something I'd be thankful for :P


:lol:

LOL...


Anything can be shaved.

Never let it see nats :) [/b][/quote]
No, no, no, it's true, i read it on a board someplace!!!

Actually, I can of course think of a dozen ways to shave without even touching the affiliate management software.

However, in all seriousness, I'll give NATS it's due. I was recently testing the setup for a new biller and new cascade chain. When I hit the site to test that, I was solely focused on testing the biller, not the affiliate link, so I just did a type in, no link or ref code appended to the url, just good old fashioned type in.

The biller and cascade worked, and worked better than I anticipated. When I looked at the stats, the damned thing was smart enough to pick up the cookie I had on that machine and browser from an affiliate link test I was doing days earlier and credited that sale to that affiliate code.

I was mostly impressed, but perhaps slightly irritated...hehe....

When another affiliate refers a surfer does the cookie change? I hope so because I'd hate to think I was sending someone that already had a cookie set and I didn't get credit if they signed up :(

Your referral places a cookie to credit you, and previous cookies are no longer valid.

Well that's how it's meant to work, but I heard a horror story once that going from the join page to the credit card page on a program destroyed your ref codes and cookies and replaced them with the programs <_<

A REAL pro shaves at both ends ;-)))