:pearl:

ah, here we go again
Paul, you really have no grounds for a moral complex...
your "my porn is holier than your porn" shit won't fly here, mate, this isn't GFY...

maybe after they've cleaned up the extreme people, theyc an focus on you...there are a lot of people who take issue with what you do...take 18 and 19 year old girls in Eastern Europe and exploit their need for money and lack of a job situation. face it, we're in an exploitative business...there are some right wingers who feel what YOU do is the same as treating a woman as an object and as a toilet...perhaps they are right too?

Just because you use better lighting, it doesn't make you a better pornographer... [/b][/quote]
Good post Sykk.

Paul Markham you really are a sanctimonious fuck.

that would be one way to get my pictures off the net ;-) [/b][/quote]
And your mom!

Censored isn't the word I should have used. Even though this kind of thing is legal in some countries doesnt mean that its right, or does it :o :blink:[/b][/quote]
I think that we should each make our own decision about what we view or find erotic and not try to influence others' rights to do the same. Censorship does just that, it removes the individual's rights and places them with someone else. That, is wrong.

How about some role-playing talk?

Pornography is in the eye of the beholder

I think that we should each make our own decision about what we view or find erotic and not try to influence others' rights to do the same. Censorship does just that, it removes the individual's rights and places them with someone else. That, is wrong. [/b][/quote]
Fuck erotic. Sheep fucking isn't erotic but I do find it interesting to watch. I mean, come on, how can you NOT be interested in seeing a guy fuck a sheep? The first thing I heard about the web was "Have you heard about the world wide web? You can see a girl sucking a donkey's dick on there".

I'll bring the sheep. Paul, bring the lights. Sykkboy, bring your cock!

Have you EVER seen a bestiality pic or movie?

Have you EVER seen a bestiality pic or movie? [/b][/quote]
I have, I saw animal farm when I was younger and it didn't flick any switches for me!

Have you EVER seen a bestiality pic or movie? [/b][/quote]
What does it matter if she has or has not?

I know that a guy shoving a pigs cock up his ass is something that I don't want to see even without seeing it!

What does it matter if she has or has not?

I know that a guy shoving a pigs cock up his ass is something that I don't want to see even without seeing it! [/b][/quote]
Awwww go on with ya !!!

Awwww go on with ya !!! [/b][/quote]
Sheep are a different thing all together :lol:

I read thru part of the thread, but thought I'd go ahead and chime in without finishing it.

Several Euro aggregators and processors lost the ability to process MC a week to ten days ago already, about the same time as the IBill announcement that they were having "difficulties" processing Mastercard and were declining all new sales and holding rebills.

Not really bagging on IBill per se, but any time a processor announces that they are declining new trans, that means that they can't batch them since they don't have a light at the end of the tunnel for them, imo.

I have, I saw animal farm when I was younger and it didn't flick any switches for me! [/b][/quote]
But you watched it nonetheless.

P.S. There is bestiality in George Orwell's Animal Farm???

While we are all joining the hullabaloo about how terrible some of these things are just remember that 20 years ago some of the niches that no one blinks an eye at these days were considered to be so grossly obscene that no decent person would ever even think about promoting it.

In the real world there is already a huge amount of interest in some of the way out niches that have been mentioned here. We may not like it personally but more and more people are finding some of those things to be more and more acceptable and they want to see it and they want to experience it.

There is already a huge underground culture in some of those areas involving normal every day people and eventually they will become acceptable.

Or course, there are a very few things like KP that normal society will never find acceptable.

Prosecutor: So, did you or did you not have pornography on display ?

Defendant: Well, yes I did, but mine is the good type of pornography, not the bad type.


:yowsa:


Doesn't matter what the niche is, those that hate the industry see everyone involved in it in the same light.

there are sections of society that see nothing wrong with that.

And the folks who want to take down the industry see absolutely no distinction between the "good guys" and the "bad guys".

Just a little bit above drug dealers.


though even that is arguable.


If Markham was a drug dealer he'd be like

"I only sell to Middle schoolers and above!! No primary school kids.Well unless they have big tits"


currently his slogan should be.....

"We light the cunt really well"

LOL

but but but, I don't have the experience....I've never even been to New Zealand...

Sure it sucks when companies, banks etc. start playing the moral police, but I understand why they want to distance themself from the content in question - they got a brand to protect and having sites like "ExtremeRapeOfDeadDonkeysCoveredInShit.com" (think I got all of the forbidden content covered in that site ;-) showing the MC logo could lead to image problems...

YES, you can probably buy everything in the physical world with your MC (guns, drugs, prostitutes, 3rd world countries), but the internet is a different place, where search engines trawl for information and make the connections visible... not good if you are trying sell your product on "good old banking values"...

Is "normal" porn next? Well - who knows other than the guys at MC... US judge dismissal of the Paycom suit saying that "it was not prevented from using other forms of payment" could be a sign of the things to come (pure speculation).

But as always - spread your eggs (no, not legs ;-))

But you watched it nonetheless.

P.S. There is bestiality in George Orwell's Animal Farm??? [/b][/quote]
What can I say, I was young and impressionable and the impression it left wasn't a good one!


Because I've watched one film years ago doesn't mean I back or endorse anything!

I still wonder if the credit card companies were thinking "moral values" in taking the steps they have against our industry or "new bankruptcy laws".

I never knew pigs had corkscrew dicks til I saw a Beast film.

So that makes them educational :)

;-))

Are you implying a deal of some sort was made? like we will give you your bankruptcy laws, if you stop processing porn type of thing? is that the question as I understand it? or did I miss it entirlely

Not implying one was made, wondering if one was.

Yeah, good question

ah, here we go again
Paul, you really have no grounds for a moral complex...
your "my porn is holier than your porn" shit won't fly here, mate, this isn't GFY...

maybe after they've cleaned up the extreme people, theyc an focus on you...there are a lot of people who take issue with what you do...take 18 and 19 year old girls in Eastern Europe and exploit their need for money and lack of a job situation. face it, we're in an exploitative business...there are some right wingers who feel what YOU do is the same as treating a woman as an object and as a toilet...perhaps they are right too?

Just because you use better lighting, it doesn't make you a better pornographer...[/b][/quote]
thank god someone said it!!!!!

I'm sure your girl's daddy's (the real ones) would consider what you do to be exploiting their daughters ....

I think what you do is equally as disgusting as extreme content because you manipulate misguided young women into a life that they can rarely get out of. Sure whatever they have a choice. I've seen your type in action! You prey on weaknesses and manipulate them to your advantage .... that doesn't make you anybody's hero.

for those of you who are screaming about how this is censorship and should not be allowed blah blah .....

are you seriously stating that mastercard is wrong for choosing not to process RAPE sites? Forget the rest of it that is moral argument, do you think RAPE is a moral argument and that this should be allowed under freedom of speech?!?!

The only line of defense ANY of us have in a court of law is CONSENT.
Rape is the opposite of consent and an animal can't give consent. I would be less concerned about visa, mastercard, your hosting company, your reputation etc than I would about the RSPCA and Peta.

It is well known in Wales that sheep gag for it and are well known for there lack of virtue.

Welsh people know that "Bah" means "Yes"!!!

As do New Zealanders

;-)))

lol :lol:



Where's rendh when you need him :biglaugh:

They don't make a distinction between actual rape and simulated rape
I can go buy the movie Irreversible on DVD (with a mastercard even) and it has a very brutal rape scene in it...what about ravishment fantasies? I can buy a whole lot of "romance" novels with strong men who ravish women and "take them"...

I don't think anyone is going to have actual rape sites and real "snuff" sites...I can go buy the entiure Friday The 13th series on DVD (and I've done just that) and I could have bought it with my mastercard (should I actually choose to ever carry one). Isn't that simulated snuff?

So, if I were to take the movie Irreversible and a Friday the 13th video and ripped them and stuck them up behind a credit card area, Mastercard wouldn't process for these? why (copyright issues aside ;-))?

Motion pictures such as Friday 13th are fantasy and anyone watching them know they are fake but the people churning out 'snuff' and 'rape' are trying to make them as real as possible. to the point were the viewer has to question if what they saw was real.

The whole point in these 'rape' and 'snuff' vids is to make the buyer think they are seeing a real rape or murder if indeed they are not!

Sykk, one of my favorit quotes from Apocalypse Now:

The world have always been a place of hypocrisy... good thing is that we make our money from it - if porn was mainstream as Friday The 13th, then no one would buy it :)

Sounds exactly like what Michael Moore is doing ;-)))

Sounds exactly like what Michael Moore is doing ;-))) [/b][/quote]
:wnw:


as long as he beleive that its true he'll never stop putting his junk out there but I'm not saying he should be stopped from doing so, as that would be censorship.

:)

They don't make a distinction between actual rape and simulated rape
I can go buy the movie Irreversible on DVD (with a mastercard even) and it has a very brutal rape scene in it...what about ravishment fantasies? I can buy a whole lot of "romance" novels with strong men who ravish women and "take them"...

I don't think anyone is going to have actual rape sites and real "snuff" sites...I can go buy the entiure Friday The 13th series on DVD (and I've done just that) and I could have bought it with my mastercard (should I actually choose to ever carry one). Isn't that simulated snuff?

So, if I were to take the movie Irreversible and a Friday the 13th video and ripped them and stuck them up behind a credit card area, Mastercard wouldn't process for these? why (copyright issues aside ;-))? [/b][/quote]
With that logic that would make the nuns in Il Confessionale real, yes?

Rape is wrong. Simulated rape fantasies I am ok with. I understand there are issues but like you alluded to there are issues with any kind of porn - even 18 year old teens.

Animal sex? What can I say? I've only seen one bestiality clip and it was pretty interesting to watch though I almost got sick when the donkey's cum exploded out of the girl's mouth. Consent? The donkey definitely looked like it was having a good time. I mean, it was getting its dick sucked and it wasn't tied down or trying to walk around or anything. Fuck, where are the consent forms for horseback riding? That's animal exploitation too. I can live with that. To tell you the truth, I ate cow yesterday and drank a glass of milk. Wanna see some footage of cow milking? Nice teets.

Mastercard can do whatever what they want. I dont have any issue with MC's decision.

:wnw:

well, maybe we should stop bangbus....
that would make you think you could really pickup some girl along the road, fuck her and dump her?

are you saying people who can distinguish between reality and fantasy in a Friday The 13th movie can't do the same with something they see on the Internet?

well, maybe we should stop bangbus....
that would make you think you could really pickup some girl along the road, fuck her and dump her?

are you saying people who can distinguish between reality and fantasy in a Friday The 13th movie can't do the same with something they see on the Internet? [/b][/quote]
Theres a big hop skip and a jump from a low budget B Horror film and a no budget 'reality' vid. say I go off and get 100 snuff or rape vids are you sure you could tell they were all faked?

the question would be how many are faked!

I am saying that nobody else should have the right to say what I can look at as long as it is legal under the laws where I live. In Japan for example, that includes Rape fantasies and in other countries Animal Sex.

You jumped from simulated rape to Rape, since when did a photographic recreation of a crime become the same thing as the crime itself? Photos of murders are not murder, check out most movies in existance and you will find one thing in common... ACTORS.

Fantasy is just that, fantasy...as in not real. If we in this business can't make a convincing argument of this (especially to ourselves) then we are doomed as our opponents will soon be using the inverse to destroy us.

MasterCard and Visa are supposed to approve or decline transactions, not morals.

(EDIT - typo.)