No worries...I wasn't implying that. I saw how hard cory tried to do the right thing so I don't want this to be associated with him. Good people got hit in the nuts because of these fuckin thieves. This piss is personal.

Now I want that bitch who supports this decision and had the audacity to slam a processor for spelling mistakes back in here.

Aeon is 100% correct about AdultCheck. I recall vividly watching Paul Bakir (who was the cunt that owned it) betting 10 grand a hand at black jack in Vegas like it was shit for brains sipping Cristal outta the panties of a crack whore (draw your own conclusions))

1 in 10 on the AC links list Nick? You must have been in colusion with Green Guy, whom I believe still is with AC.

Adultcheck went south while I was asleep at the wheel, and when I came back to it, I had alot of Gold sites still sending to them, but no checks, no nothing. Just a shitload of webmasters I'd taught the AVS game back in the day, with simply a silent fuck you as a thanks.

Karma has a way of making things right they say. And, I've always believed in Karma (especially when you have da' facts ma'am)

Adultcheck, it's owners, and anyone who promotes them now, is a fucking crook. Those cunts belong under the jail for what they've done.

With all the site script kiddos that came about a few years ago that were cranking out 100s of sites a day for LL purposes? Do you realize how much traffic they stole?

An amazing in your face fucking. Legendary. One that will never be forgotten, forgiven, nor a non target for retribution.

I may be long of tooth, but that doesn't mean that they're still not extremely sharp.

:okthumb:

Rest assured old man...what adultcheck did won't be forgotten as long as myself and others are around. Nor will the whores that suck them off be forgotten. period.

What???

Umm as I ezplained , I "invented' the trick of building the worse AVS site in the world.The reason for it was in answer to this question I posed myself.

""Where can I get high quality traffic without a link back?"

Simple.

Build AVS sites.

Every surfer surfing an AVS link list has used a CC in order to be even on that list.

I tried it, it did great.

I was building loads of AVS sites a day.

I reached 10% of Adultchecks links when I had something like 800 sites on there list that had 8000 sites listed total.

This is in 97/98/99.

The surfer already had a membership , but once he bought one he would surf the adult check site and go look at the other sites he now had membership too.I had 10% of those.

Once he entered my site I had upsells out the ass.

I shared this trick with Meat , GG , Tommy and some others.

Meat told everyone so soon everyone was doing it. LOL

Again you must be rusty.....I did not build sites to get joins TO the AVS but to suck hits away from their existing members.

Adultcheck if I recalled changed their rules for what minimum content on the sites were, the first time they did this they allowed my crappy sites to stay.The second time they insisted I upgraded them.

As tyhis trick was by now sucked dry I didn"t bother.

I don't think I ever built a "Gold" site.

So basically...fuck you Bill.

When I do something iffy , I admit it.

As for GG still being on board there. Well he obviously had enough sites gaining sales to be left on board with AC.

What did you expect him to do?

Insist on being removed and lose his recurs too?

I sure as hell wouldn't have.

For the record , I have no AVS sites left as far as I know.

I realize I am far from a crowd favorite here, but here are my limited comments:

-I left the company beforehand. Further than that, AC is a company with a proven track record of insuring that current, as well as former, employees do not discuss the dynamics of the business. That is not a bad thing, they just run their business intelligently in concern with not allowing internal business concepts to become compromised. That said, I will never comment on their business. I will never give an opinion on how they run their business.


I worked for AC at a time that AC was in the midst of laying the groundwork for the Industry. I worked in close confines with those that used that money to go on and create bigger, bolder, more prosperous ventures. I know how, why, where and who. AC paid me well while I was there, and without them, I would not have the ventures and incredible job that I have today. That is a fact. So although AC is not popular with everyone, fact is, I started there and they allowed me the opportunity to learn things that, believe it or not, most people in this thread are clueless to. I am a loyal guy. I would never bad mouth a former employer. Ever. Pay attention and you will see that as much as I joke around, I take having class very serious.

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Aeon, for the last time, is a webmaster. I have never, nor do I currently agree with the way that he comes after people, especially KK, whom has certainly helped me out from day 1; but, he is a very intelligent webmaster with viable business ideas. I know he makes money. I know this as fact. He knows I know this as fact. Some of the most successful people to date are rarely mentioned. I find it funny, and I know he does as well.

At times, I laugh because most of his post are humerous / witty. He has "attacked" me, but I have never cared. My policy is and remains, if you attack me, make it funny and have a point. He always seems to acocmplish both. In essence, I think people just need to lighten up and realize they are on the Internet.

That said, Nick, I really enjoy your attitude towards him posting his opinion. It certainly struck a chord with me. He has a lot to offer, as do a lot of people that may be deemed by the Oprano crowd as worthless. Being accepting of his very valid opinions can only serve Oprano well.

By reputation, I have thick skin. I have never minded a "hard" environment, so long as it is productive. You can call me a bitch, if my jump shot starts falling, we are all good.

This thread has about 5 people with a clue, which is actually a few more than usual. Not aimed at Oprano, but a general consensus of all boards when something of this gravity is posted.

So are sites using http://www.janerus.com/ those who continued working with AdultCheck? Or did they also take new clients after the "clean up"? :unsure:

LOL! :moon:

I thought perhaps you were talking about more recent history rather than the golden years when you could spam the bajesus bells out of the link lists.

My bad Nick, sorry! :nyanya:

I appreciate the words Cory but I think you know I could give two shits what these asswipes think. That being said, every time adultcheck gets brought up, you seem to inevitably get mentioned so I wanted to stop that shit before it started. It simply isn't fair to you and I won't be a party to perpetuating that kinda crap.

If these old scamsters deem you worthless/don't like you, consider that a medal of honort. I do.

BTW, if you ask for a hug, I'll knock your teeth down your fuckin' throat.

I saw that janerus thing a while back. I'm not really sure what it is other than it's part of the AC fuck people empire.

That is your perception.

I can honestly say I have no problem with you in the slightest and look forward to meeting you and having a drink. Of course mine will be coffee :)

I think a lot of these old animosities should be quoshed. Most of the participants have little memory of the events that caused them , or in fact , a false impression of what actually did occur.

I have also said I have no problem with aeon. None whatsoever. As far As I'm concerned he is a valued contributer here.Always putting in thoughts outside the "party line"

Oprano IS changing , and will contunue to do so.

We don't and won't have 20 will ya hit it threads.

We don't and won't have 20 threads created to cause drama.

We want to move wth this business to the next level. Yes there is a time for banter and argument , it is part of any community.

But with VISA etc etc I think there are enough problems facing us all.

Frankly I see people shying away from the old "lets cause drama ", "listen to me (see my post count , I am someone!)" and turning towards business.

Hell I picked on Juicy , everyone yawned. I don't need to be told twice LOL

I won't bring this dispute to the board again until it is resolved. People here are basically uninterested.I understand that.

I want all the previous baggage that may be being carried by people to be dropped.I carry very little baggage.I have a problem with Brad. Really its no big thing , we've never done business together and prolly never will. Thats pretty much it. I don't really feel the need to harrass him anymore.

Aga myself and Meat talk now. Its a good thing

I think the time for trial by webmaster board is passing.

Frankly if someone REALLY pisses me off now , I'll deal with it off board.

Why piss on a webmaster board?

I'd much rather hit someone with a writ (public documnet) and ensure everyone in his/her community is aware of his/her occupation by proliferating the reach of that public document. etc etc.Why fuck with someone on the web. This world is virtual , take it to the BM world.

Meat and Aga did it to me , to this day if you search for me , that writ comes up.:)

The internet changes rapidly .Webmaster bnoards outta change just as quick.

What really gets me is why no one , if these allegations over Adultcheck are true, hasn't sued.

Why hasn't someone called law enforcement and met with them , with a lawyer , and levelled a criminal allegation. I am sure Law Enforcement would happily investigate.

I fully intend to pursue that course of action against IBill within weeks. The amount they owe me warrants it.

Will I win? Will anyone get arrested? Prolly not. But it sure will make me feel better and will cause there smile as they spend my money to slip a little maybe :)

The web is slipping out of the days of the Wild Wild West.

Some of the clever gunfighters and bandits switched hats and became Marshalls.

Hell Would you believe I have just been asked to consult on Bulk Email to a major corp looking to stop it....poacher turned gamekeeper. Looks like it will pay just as well too ;-))

ah...well :)

Indictments don't happen overnight. I'm more than sure the authorities were bombarded with complaints.

Are you gonna sue someone in the west indies or panama btw?

Being a crowd favorite doesnt pay a house note...

Indictments don't happen overnight. I'm more than sure the authorities were bombarded with complaints.

Are you gonna sue someone in the west indies or panama btw? [/b][/quote]
Seriously , why not?

LOL! :moon:

I thought perhaps you were talking about more recent history rather than the golden years when you could spam the bajesus bells out of the link lists.

My bad Nick, sorry! :nyanya: [/b][/quote]
LOL.

Naw I never built AVS sites for the join.

Though I heard there was money to be made out of the Gold ones. Meat GG and Tommy tried to explain it to me once , but I was drunk I think.

Seriously , why not?[/b][/quote]
Say you lose 3K a month in recurrings, it's gonna cost you a shitload more to try and get it back than you lost...and that's even hoping you'll win. If I remember correctly, AC announced people were fucked and then immediately slammed the lounge closed to all but tier 1 & 2 webmasters...adding to the difficulty of even proving you had shit in recurrings with them.

Doens't make much sense financially. Same reason no one went after globill, atherton (tho some people lost 100's of K's to that fucknut).

Frankly Nickster, your type of setup was what caused the changes over there from what I have gathered. As you mentioned, you leeched whateer traffic you could -- not that there was anything wrong with that at the time either, Lord knows that Tommy certainly did a good job teaching me to do the same lol --

Aeon is just a very easy person to push buttons on, almost too easy.

Fair point.

But as I said , with me with Ibill the number is getting to the level where it is well worth it.

Also for pure bastardness make an appointment through your lawyer with a high level cop.

Go in with all the stuff backing your claim. And the lawyer.

Make a formal accusation....

Its amazing the grief that causes.... :)

Cost to you , a good lunch with your lawyer and a couple of hundred bill..if the lunch is good the bill will prolly be waived.

;-))))

Fucking Tommy!!!

LOL

Nick,

I agree. My perception is likely tainted, but when I see people like CJ remark negatively about me, it causes a bit of bewilderment on my part. You begin to assume that you just aren't liked in a sweeping manner, as opposed to disagreed with. I hold no grudges.

In concern with Brad, I like the guy, both as a businessman and a person. I don't like to see him fire off on your vested interest no more than I "liked" seeing you do it to him. These anipathies from both angles are beyond me, as I do not know the origins outside of chaotic board post, which I accredit little validity to.

Lawsuits against an affiliate program or processor would be tough, even if located in the United States. At some point in the corporation's augmentation into financial success, better paid lawyers softened the judicial-justification merits. When you deal with most programs / succesful-corps, the business of asset protection at some point took over as the number two or three most financed dept.

Now, one major bullet in the defense arsenal is obvious, spend money. One point of contention in an affiliate setting forth a suit is, yep, financing. You Nick, likely can play ball with the former and latter, but most can't. That said, you are playing ball in paragraph 3.

Funny the way the legal system works isn't it?

Before suing anyone, you might wanna read your processing agreement / contract with the 3rd party processor.

Most have you by the short hairs from the get go.

YEAH! FUCKING TOMMY! :rokk:

I wonder if he's still bombing around NYC with his muscle cars. I remember when he launched new york whores. It was EVERYWHERE on the AC links list.

Whores generally think too much of themselves as you prove.

Aside from board entertainment you’re existence is absolutely meaningless to me. If you think I would lose even one minute of sleep if you ended up in a serial killer’s wood chipper, you’re dumber than I thought and that would be a fuckin’ accomplishment.

A contract can be set aside if ciminal intent is alleged.

A contract can be set aside if ciminal intent is alleged. [/b][/quote]
Which brings us to paragraph 4 of my post :)

This thread is turning out to be pretty interesting.....

LOL, your place on the predictability meter is most definitely assured. If you were all that you seem to think you are, you'd be much better at either leaving the bait on the hook or dragging the fishermans arms out of their sockets when you run away from the boat.

A contract can be set aside if ciminal intent is alleged. [/b][/quote]
Alleged is the operative word though.

As Cory said (and said well), when you setup an affiliate program, or in this case a 3rd party processor. Your legal expenses are huge simply to cover every conceiveable angle in creating the perfect contractual agreement.

IBill burned up their bank. Then ran out of banks.

I'll bet you dollars for donuts that they're all setup nice and pretty with all the appropriate documentation to prove their was no criminal intent nor wrongdoing intended in any of this.

When you work in this business one of the first things you put away is your war chest.

You may ask all your questions about MerchantBoss here.I`ll try to answer them all.

You arent the MB contact we have.

Told ya on the other board that Sidorino was a ...mole.... lol


;-))

No offense but we have no way of knowing whether you are an actual employee of Merchant Boss or are a thrid party webmaster that is a part of their agent program (per your link) until I hear back from our contact at Merchant Boss. I understand you wanting to make money with their program if that's the case (thrid party agent) but in their opening announcement thread it's only right to ensure that we our members get their questions asked from a Merchant Boss employee or someone they desigante as able to fully answer questions for them! (if that turns out to be you we'll be MORE than happy to pepper you with questions to check their services out!!) :)

That coin has a flipside woman. After you get through rubbing your hooch and trying to figure out why the massengill isn’t working, you just might realize that. I wanted people to read this...loads of pageviews. That's for sure.

Sidorino, tell me where to send the invoice for all those pageviews.

Add to my previous posts, get Cory posting here. I always read & am interested in what he posts. He's far more level headed than I'll ever be. You have dimwits who fall into DSMV categories running loose...encourage people with some brains to hang out here.

I'm off for the night. Save the pisses until I get back - toodles.

What? Trying to take stabs at me, cj, and the rest of the chicks that post here getting a tad more cumbersome since we don't get pissed off but actually laugh when your attempts fall flat?

LOL.

your still a dork today too AEON!!! :bwave:

"I'll bet you dollars for donuts that they're all setup nice and pretty with all the appropriate documentation to prove their was no criminal intent nor wrongdoing intended in any of this."

I agree 100%

Or you might have to sue multiple corps just to get to them. :)

In some ways, one must cherish the opportunity they got from the Wild West, take the money they might never have had, and ride off.

What? Trying to take stabs at me, cj, and the rest of the chicks that post here getting a tad more cumbersome since we don't get pissed off but actually laugh when your attempts fall flat?

LOL.[/b][/quote]
While you're working on your laureate candidacy by defending poor oppressed board whores all over the internet and sucking off thieves, you might notice the single bitch coming to protect your cyber honor is Joe; the only biped I know of who probably doesn't have reversible thumbs.

Am I the only one who can feel the sexual tension in this thread?

:unsure:

Yer one sexy bitch, there's no denying that but I've gotta be on top. I just gotta drive ya know.

While you're working on your laureate candidacy by defending poor oppressed board whores all over the internet and sucking off thieves, you might notice the single bitch coming to protect your cyber honor is Joe; the only biped I know of who probably doesn't have reversible thumbs. [/b][/quote]
yeah cause KK really needs help to defend herself against some anon loser whose only experience with women is the ones he pays to suck his shrivelled cock :rolleyes:

would you hate KK and I so much if you could afford us?! :yowsa:

run along dipshit, you bore me to tears.

PornoDummy should read the little numbers at the bottom of the page ... that little 2 down there might mean something.

yeah cause KK really needs help to defend herself against some anon loser whose only experience with women is the ones he pays to suck his shrivelled cock :rolleyes:

would you hate KK and I so much if you could afford us?! :yowsa:

run along dipshit, you bore me to tears.[/b][/quote]
Weee...now it gets fun.

When I buy pussy, I buy quality pussy...so that naturally excludes you and obviously that kk tramp. Even that shaw dork realized if he was gonna buy a piece of ass, no reason to pay for stinky hooch. Give every dog his due.

I'm far from anon, I just don't tell whores my business :stout:

He worked for them. I don't think he was around when AC went into uber thief mode & I know he didn't have anything to do with it, but I know he was there during the ACpay clusterfuck for awhile.

I felt for the guy & was impressed at how he handled being stuck in a fuckin maelstrom - he was the sounding board essentially, on that shitty forum they had.

He really shouldn't even be associated with this in all honesty.