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Gotta say ,Anthony and his peolple take good care of me whilst I experiment with traffic and really do bend over backwards for my crazy ideas and needs. And I don't think its just cause we are family , I think they'd do it for everyone. Loads of others in the same game are not so accomodating....so when it works , guess where its going? :) |
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OK, I should have said 10 sales a day affiliate and not affiliates. The morning I saw this post one of my webmasters had already had 10 sales and I was elated thinking it was terrific until I started reading the thread. I admit, that was my only 10+ sale for one day. I just didn't want everyone else to know that. *hanging my head in shame* As it turns out, he ended up with a lot more than 10 sales that day, his sales were on Valerie Exposed which does not have a ton of leaks. But you're right, I shouldn't have exaggerated, I'll just be happy with my couple of sales a day webmasters and shut up. |
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;-) Serge/Ron , hell even myself made money by doing this: Red - Fuck you Nick!! You fat fuck , its calculated on a special logarithym Nick - What a special shave algorithme? Red - Well at least I pay webmasters Nick , not like you.. Etc , etc, etc :) ;-))) |
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;-) Serge/Ron , hell even myself made money by doing this: Red - Fuck you Nick!! You fat fuck , its calculated on a special logarithym Nick - What a special shave algorithme? Red - Well at least I pay webmasters Nick , not like you.. Etc , etc, etc :) ;-))) [/b][/quote] well I didn't know I was allowed to use the old algorithm ruse. I'll have to remember that for next time. My problem is I can't fight if I know I'm wrong. I'm not good at lying and if I do try to beef things up a bit, and get called on it, the Jewish guilt that was instilled in me prenatally takes over and compells me to admit the truth. Am I too nauseatingly honest for this business? |
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My problem is I can't fight if I know I'm wrong. I'm not good at lying and if I do try to beef things up a bit, and get called on it, the Jewish guilt that was instilled in me prenatally takes over and compells me to admit the truth. Am I too nauseatingly honest for this business? [/b][/quote] Yes and .....err NO!!! ;-) Real honesty in this business is a total handicap. Faked honesty however.... ;-))) |
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Real honesty in this business is a total handicap. Faked honesty however.... ;-))) [/b][/quote] I'll see if I can work on that. ;-) |
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As I said... The fact that you have affiliates , makes you a genius at something. ;-)) :wnw: |
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ummmmm sorry Red...but if you throw them up , I'll smack them down. This is after all Oprano. The no spin zone. Red , your prize winner sent 112 joins in yr contest time period , which was 30 days , I believe. """"February 28, 2005 We've Got A Winner!!! Congratulation to Phil from BHE with 112 signups during the contest period. Your new IPOD is on the way""""" I make it that yr top affiliate averages 3- 4 sales a day...not 10 ;-) But I really want to get you working for me when I open next mth , cause if you can get people to send traffic to sites like yours with more traffic links than an open index , whatever they are paying you, it is not enough ;-)))[/b][/quote] Great Smackdown Nick, but I'll do ya one better..... Red… you are OWNED!!!! We have now caught you twice in a lie. You stated that Phil from BHE won your contest, yet it looks like BHE is the owner of your sites. I just looked at the Whois for one of your sites DixieTrailerTrash.com and saw that it’s owned by BHE. Isn’t it great that one of your own guys won your contest. What a crock!!!! I’ll even take this one step further. I betcha that this Phil guy really didn’t send in the most hits, even as the owner. I’ve been snooping around other BHE sites and all the links to the Depraved Dollars sites from BHE sites don’t even have affiliate codes, so how could he have sent in traffic? Here is my proof: A - I found a list of all the 160 sites that BHE owns. It says that BHE owns DixieTrailerTrash.com and Spyfoot.com which are part of your affiliate program. Here is the list: http://footfetishusa.com/links.html B - Here is the Whois for one of your sites showing that it is owned by BHE: Registrant: Big Horn Enterprises Suite 760-340 2855 L'ville-Suwanee Rd Suwanee, Georgia 30024 United States Registered through: Big Horn Enterprises Domain Name: DIXIETRAILERTRASH.COM Created on: 31-Aug-01 Expires on: 31-Aug-05 Last Updated on: 05-Sep-03 Administrative Contact: President, BHE bhe@b-h-e.com Big Horn Enterprises Suite 760-340 2855 L'ville-Suwanee Rd Suwanee, Georgia 30024 United States 7706823999 Fax -- Technical Contact: Technical, BHE bhetech@b-h-e.com Big Horn Enterprises Suite 760-340 2855 L'ville-Suwanee Rd Suwanee, Georgia 30024 United States 7706823999 Fax – C - Here are the NameServers… owned by BHE: Domain servers in listed order: SIOUX.B-H-E.COM ZUNI.B-H-E.COM NAVAJO.B-H-E.COM D - And your backup credit card processors is your own…. BHE! If I am wrong I will give you a public apology and $1,000 cash!!!! Here is my offer. Why don’t you agree to an independent audit from CC-Bill, your primary processor? If CC-Bill tells us that Phil was the largest affiliate I’ll PayPal you $1,000 plus the PayPal charge. If I'm right you can just buy me a dozen Krispy Kreme donuts (keeping an Oprano tradition alive). So this is really a dollars to donuts wager. I’ll even let Oprano’s oversee this wager to keep everything on the up and up. What do you say? |
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Welcome to Oprano. Good bit of research! I must say , that makes sense , the only person that would send traffic to those sites would be an owner. LOL In fact they are sites only the owner could love!! ummm...Oh Red..... Thats the sorta stunt I'D pull!! :) |
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The fact that you have affiliates , makes you a genius at something. ;-)) :wnw: [/b][/quote] It appears you don't have affiliates.... Thank fuck!! I thought people had gone mad!!!! I couldn't understand how you would find people to send traffic to THOSE sites. |
Here's a thought. What if there is an affiliate that has sent them just one sale. Since the owners/partners/whatevers are exempt from the contest (as a matter of almost all state laws) then someone is owed an I-pod.... and it could be a person that sent in just one sale.
I have friends at CC-Bill that would help us find the REAL winner is Red will allow it. |
In all fairness.... I dont think its the sites in question. A wise man once told me you could build a site with a pile of dog shit on it and if you showed enough people someone would buy.
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If you look at their Alexa ratings I don't think they even have a whale sending them 10 sales a day.
dixietrailertrash.com: 120,292 playfullhousewives.com: 448,000 cumdumpmamas.com: 893,731 grannycumshere.com: 992,254 whorebaithals.com: 1,013,655 bigassedmamas.com: 904,089 katsbackporch.com: 1,309,476 juliaexposed.com: 822,176 valerieexposed.com: 972,946 spyfoot.com: 846,900 playfullhousewives.com: 448,000 Now the dixietrailertrash site ranking of 120,292 I didn't think was too bad until I saw that it has a toplist page, in fact many of the sites have a toplist page. You should easily go above 120K with a toplist. http://www.dixietrailertrash.com/autorank/toplist.html Then digging a little deeper I see that the top 20 sites on the toplist are their own sites. Hmmmm, could they be pushing their own sites to the top and screwing the guys who are sending in honest trade traffic? I think they might be, simply because the toplist software they are using requires a special link code with the username and none of their intersite links that I can find includes any username code. So how do ALL their sites rankings take the 20 or so top spots on thier toplist? Listen folks, some of us have been doing this a long time and can spot cheaters and top list shavers a mile away. Do you really think that anyone with a decent amount of traffic is going to send it to an affiliate program that uses a bag of old cheat tricks. How can we trust you? Clean up your act, play fair, and maybe people with real traffic will send you some. |
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No I don't think anyone at CC-Bill would give out numbers. That's why I said "with Red's approval". I'm sure they would do an audit or independently verify the numbers if the program owner gave their permission. |
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That's why I said "with Red's approval". I'm sure they would do an audit or independently verify the numbers if the program owner gave their permission. [/b][/quote] ahh Ok thanks for clarifying that for me... :okthumb: |
Jesus Christ. I'm out for a while and I have to come back to this.
Here’s the poop with BHE. They host 3 of our sites as well as have a partnership with us and have for years. Just because they are who they are, doesn’t mean that the guys who market for them (and us) are not to be counted. We could have, as so many other programs do, just pick an affiliate who posts on a lot of boards and give it to them so they could talk about it and give us more exposure. But we didn't. We sent the I-pod to the marketing guy that did the most, period. I wouldn’t care who it was or if it was the devil himself. Why would it matter to us to send the item to someone who didn’t deserve it for what amounts to less than an hours income. Also, since they are “partners” with us, they do NOT need an affiliate code as we can track their sales via our sign-ups. If you've got a problem with that feel free to get in touch with my partner. His name is Hal and you can reach him at webmaster@dixietrailertrash.com Now on to the toplists. Yes we have our own sites on the toplist and we push the traffic between them, but we are not cheating anyone. Before the affiliate program started that was the main way we got traffic and at this point most of the traffic is still being generated that way and the majority of it is coming from our own sites due to the non affiliate marketing we do. If we were cheating the others on our toplists, don't you think they would have suspended the accounts by now considering the toplists have been going for a few years? If anything the affiliates benefit from our own sites being the top ranking, since their cookies carry through and they are getting paid on sales made to sites that aren't even in the affiliate program. Quote:
Nick, You don't like my sites. Fine, I don't give a shit if you do or not. My affiliates who are actively promoting are getting sales. Sales are increasing every week and the affiliates will be pleased with the rebills they'll be getting. We have members of Dixie that have been with us for years. Sure, most of my affiliates are little fish who are only getting one or two sales a day (and I do have 2 that are doing between 5 and 15 a day) and I'm ok with that for now. It's building slowly, but it's building and I don't have to answer to you or anyone else for my program being small. So you and Rick and anyone else that has a problem with me can just go take a flying fuck at a rolling donut. |
Red: No offense, but that is an EXTREME conflict of interest. In the real world, that relationship would or at least should make them ineligible for taking part in the contest.
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"""Nick, You don't like my sites. Fine, I don't give a shit if you do or not. ----- ok :) My affiliates who are actively promoting are getting sales. ------I do not think there is a bone fide affiliate that would send traffic to those sites Sales are increasing every week and the affiliates will be pleased with the rebills they'll be getting. We have members of Dixie that have been with us for years. Sure, most of my affiliates are little fish who are only getting one or two sales a day (and I do have 2 that are doing between 5 and 15 a day) ----- don't believe you.And if do they are connected with you in some way,No traffic sender in there right mind would send you traffic. Your sit4es are full of leaks and feed top lists. The only people who would would be moronic , or in some way getting rewarded by you. in another way LOL and I'm ok with that for now. It's building slowly, but it's building and I don't have to answer to you or anyone else for my program being small. So you and Rick and anyone else that has a problem with me can just go take a flying fuck at a rolling donut. ----- Fair enough! LOL """ Red , this is Oprano , not the Mickey Mouse Club. ;-))) |
Call me IshmaFar-L, but if I cut off my leg, get a peg, and smoke a corncob pipe while drinking a cup of joe from Starbuck's will I be able to find these whales?
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Its like SE spiders , you gotta know how to call them , then they will surface for a few seconds and give you a chance to harpoon them with a huge prepay LOL [/b][/quote] Well then shiver me timbers and blister me barnacles! Ahoy there mateys! Fill my sales with a hearty wind and set course for waters more green, there is 1000 buckets of valuable spermeceti out there waiting for the hauling because the good ship Homegrown Video has taken to the sea in search of the great white whale! Ye landlubbers can drink your grog and bed your whores as you wish but for those with an eye for adventure, a love of the sea, and pockets to fill with coin will surely wish to set sail with such a sturdy vessel as this... |
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Ahoy there mateys! Fill my sales with a hearty wind and set course for waters more green, there is 1000 buckets of valuable spermeceti out there waiting for the hauling because the good ship Homegrown Video has taken to the sea in search of the great white whale! Ye landlubbers can drink your grog and bed your whores as you wish but for those with an eye for adventure, a love of the sea, and pockets to fill with coin will surely wish to set sail with such a sturdy vessel as this... [/b][/quote] arrrrrgh!!!! LOL I bet ya never sailed into a Rokso listing with a full head of steam watching your mail servers be bounced round the Pacific like a cork with a baracuda tugging it??? I bet ya never submitted 300 domains with dynamic and cloaking in an SE during the reindexing only to have ye entire class C banned like a drunken sailor at the Ritz... Oh!! aha!! you have a woman's hand far-L me laddie!! Soft and welcoming!! I bet ye have never sat on it for an hour and then played with your knob so it feels like someone else is doing it on those lonely nights saiing round the downtown seeing if some landlubber has left there wireless networked T3 open for scourvy dogs like we be to spam the crap out of it overnight... ;-)) |
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"""Nick, You don't like my sites. Fine, I don't give a shit if you do or not. ----- ok :) My affiliates who are actively promoting are getting sales. ------I do not think there is a bone fide affiliate that would send traffic to those sites Sales are increasing every week and the affiliates will be pleased with the rebills they'll be getting. We have members of Dixie that have been with us for years. Sure, most of my affiliates are little fish who are only getting one or two sales a day (and I do have 2 that are doing between 5 and 15 a day) ----- don't believe you.And if do they are connected with you in some way,No traffic sender in there right mind would send you traffic. Your sit4es are full of leaks and feed top lists. The only people who would would be moronic , or in some way getting rewarded by you. in another way LOL and I'm ok with that for now. It's building slowly, but it's building and I don't have to answer to you or anyone else for my program being small. So you and Rick and anyone else that has a problem with me can just go take a flying fuck at a rolling donut. ----- Fair enough! LOL """ Red , this is Oprano , not the Mickey Mouse Club. ;-))) [/b][/quote] Far-L You're right, he should have been ineligable, but since was just one of the guys marketing and he worked hard it was given to him. In hindsight, we should have given it to the second highest sales and given him one just because. Nick, I was all set to take screen caps of the affiliate stats to prove that I do indeed have affiliates that are selling and that are in no way a part of my company, but then I thought 1. That you would probably accuse me of doctoring them in photoshop, even though the only thing I can do in PS is resize images. 2. That there would be no way to prove that I have no affiliation with these webmasters other than the fact that they signed up with the program and 3. Why the fuck should I go through all this trouble just to prove myself to you? I know they're making sales, they're getting their checks every week and that's the bottom line. If you're so sure that the sites couldn't possibly sell for shit, then prove me wrong. Sign up and promote it for a month with targeted traffic. Surely you can afford to "throw away" some traffic for a month since you have so much money anyway. So why not put some of it where your mouth is? I'll even tell you the type of traffic that's converting best for us. |
Okay, this thread has taken a turn towards the sodomy of a cabin boy.
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There is no bad publicity if you spin it right. ;-))) But please read closely.I never said they wouldn't sell. NO ONE would send traffic to a site like yours , with traffic leaks to feed your top lists. LOL You do realise you are sooooo wrong , no one is arguing for you? |
I just wanted to add to what I put up earlier.
I work with a group of guys who consistently do 10 to 25 sales a day. They bagged a very big whale as a subaffiliate that we are expecting to do over 100+ a day. By keeping the door open and making sure they get the support to run their affiliate program using us as a backend made this possible. Everyone should be given top support in a program. What held true back in the late 90's still does now. That noob who sends 2 sales today can be the next whale. |
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And YES anyone that is your partner/owner/etc. should be eliminated from a competition. It is improper and in violation of almost every states contest laws. You say that in hind sight you should give your partner an I-Pod and the guy that came in second. If you really believe that then you can still do that. Give the guy that came in #2 an I-pod... no hindsight is required for that gesture. And finally, isn't it very convienient that you use CC-Bill as your processor but used your own "internal stats" to determine the winner since your partner does not use an affiliate code. Look.... all that I'm saying is that if you want webmasters to trust you then you need to stay away from the apperance of improprioty. Right now it looks like you are up to your neck in shady dealings. No one is going to think you play fair just because you say you do. |
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I bet ya never sailed into a Rokso listing with a full head of steam watching your mail servers be bounced round the Pacific like a cork with a baracuda tugging it??? I bet ya never submitted 300 domains with dynamic and cloaking in an SE during the reindexing only to have ye entire class C banned like a drunken sailor at the Ritz... Oh!! aha!! you have a woman's hand far-L me laddie!! Soft and welcoming!! I bet ye have never sat on it for an hour and then played with your knob so it feels like someone else is doing it on those lonely nights saiing round the downtown seeing if some landlubber has left there wireless networked T3 open for scourvy dogs like we be to spam the crap out of it overnight... ;-)) [/b][/quote] A woman's hand? Nay! The granite hand that guides this wheel is that hand which sits on a bible and swears an oath to the Almighty... I shalt not commit the sin of trading the hard-won honest earnings of smooth sailing for a short rich road off a cliff! To quote the good book: Jonah and the Whale Chapter 2 1 Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly, 2 And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice. 3 For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me. 4 Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet I will look again toward thy holy temple. 5 The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head. 6 I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God. 7 When my soul fainted within me I remembered the LORD: and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple. 8 They that observe lying vanities forsake their own mercy. 9 But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation is of the LORD. 10 And the LORD spake unto the fish, and it vomited out Jonah upon the dry land. |
I just love this thread. It just feels like Oprano ought to feel :rolleyes:
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This has been one hell of a thread!! :okthumb:
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Most of the whales I know have beached themselves into their own programs. The old days where the whales ran in pods and could make or break a program have become as antique as scrimshaw on a sperm whale's tooth. Many of those that claim to have caught whales everyone knows are just telling fish stories. Now it seems so many small one sign up a day plankton are the food of choice to the leviathans... |
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And some most excelent nautical references ;-) Oh and by your earlier post I think you could be crazier than me. However... Are whales extinct? I know they aren't , I have seen them. (arrrgh) What has happened is they have migrated to sunnier climes. Why lay on the cold beaches of adult when you have traffic? It is still my belief , that there are really only three species of Whales left. 1.) The highly hunted and prized Mailer Whale 2.) The illusive SE Whale 3.) The Domain Whale. I know (major TGP owners) excepted that can send 100 joins a day , sustained , except a whale from these three species. People will say they can , I call "Bullshit" And here is the problem in catching those whales. If you are gonna mail , mail to where you get the most $$$. You can change in a heartbeat.And factor in what gets you less "heat" If you are gonna garner SE traffic , send it to where you make the most money. If you are sending domain hits...like wise. And currently it is not adult. The last time REAL whales as a group schooled around a product it was prolly the Paris Hilton tape...all whales did good on that one.Even though some were left unpaid , before that the money was good (Rule 17: The last wire nevewr comes) Most whales are swimming round pharma , mortgages , Credit , IR, etc etc... And frankly , in my case , whilst I concentrate on building things for the future it is nice to have a reghular income , besides recurs. Especially in this day and age. So I follow the money. And it isn't in adult. I* (means "Technick") can take no more than 30mins out of my day and send traffic to 4 different places. All non adult related and can make between the 4 of them $1500 - $2000 commission a day. Not a fortune but not bad either. About 4 - 5k sales a day in total. Takes us no time at all and allows us to build foundations. One of the 4 places is an Oprano family members non adult proggie , I checked my stats for yesterday...2k...lovely.And the money dealing with them is as good as in the bank. Gains no heat Causes no waves. Takes no time.And I can make that 2k a day on 10 -20 non adult joins a day instead of 50 -80 adult joins a day which frankly requoire more effort etc etc... Now I'm only at a growing stage so thats not a lot of traffic, nor a great deal of money...but it is sustained and growing.I hope to regain my fullfledged whale staus in the summer.At the moment I'm merely a dolphin. :) That said... I shall not give up adult traffic totally...but from my point of view , seriously , I have never considered myself a porner (well except as a hobby;) ) I have always considered myself a traffic sender really. And as a traffic sender I will send mine to where it is most profitable. And the REAL Whales I know agree with me. |
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