I resemble that remark! B) [/b][/quote]
2 out of 3 ain't bad.

I remember your name now,, I remember your name now woo hoo

I am an extremly highstrung person, I always have to go go go. Jamaica was hard on me.. Everybody is soo laid back.. After the bonfire when everybody was sleeping we were still going and going until the wee hours. I got by with 2-3 hours sleep anight, than I bounce all over the place.

My biggest problem is I relax by sitting and reading for a few hours, a highstrung book lol..

But I do want to thank everybody who put up with me in Jamaica. I can talk somebodies ear off when I drink and boy did I drink..

SLAVIK,, email me (you know why man).. I need those pictures

:rokk:

when i saw the thread title, i knew you were going to mention the goat story, heard it last night...spent 20 minutes laughing about it

did the cab driver get to keep the goat?

Steffie, you're highstrung? I can't believe that!! :awinky:

"No good can come from de goat".

As always you make an excellent point Colin.

I've noticed that my kids have friends all over the world that they meet online to chat with at various times of the day, but are losing interest in neighborhood friends because of their changes in interest, music, hobbies, attitudes.... The "in" thing lately around here is the player/gang banger attitude/dress among all the "poor rich white kids" in the area. It reminds me of Jamie Kennedy in Malibu's Most Wanted - lol My kids - being homeschooled and not "properly socialized" according to the school district - have no patience for this and prefer to find like-minded friends online to "hang out with" - and I can't say that I blame them.

Fortunately they are involved in local clubs/groups on a regular basis - and do have a few friends in-state that they talk to on the phone and visit on weekends - so they have "real" friends and not just "virtual" ones. However they are definitely outgrowing a lot of the neighborhood kids because they are discovering that sometimes the grass IS greener elsewhere...

:awinky:

My sentiments exactly. We stayed at the hotel across the street where the cabs hail you. Having cars pull over on the side of the road while your attempting to cross just to say "no thanks, just crossing" 8 times to go 20 feet did get annoying.

I wouldn't say I felt "safe", but you let your body language do the talking and they get the idea - If you look for anything you will find it, but if you keep to your business like us introverts do and stay polite you manage to enjoy your surroundings and appreciate that others treat you with the same respect.

I had a wonderful time as I always do in Jamaica (Negril) or "Jamerica" (Resorts)... I have to say I kind of like the resorts better, where you can get the "local" feel by walking down the beach but on resort property you dont get hassled, you dont deal with money (all inclusive) and the food is always ready ;)

What are you doing out of the kitchen?

We spent many years travelling to Jamaica, and have been then well over 20 times. I used to think it was friendly and laid-back until we started sailing down island in what I consider the "true" Caribbean. Because of that, I tend to think of Jamaica as a hurried place where "tourists" are put up with, but not really accepted.

For the last 5 years, we have been spending our time on a sailboat, typically 3 times a year, 2-3 weeks at a time. We sail to small islands, away from the resorts and the tourists, and meet the real natives. It's amazing when you drop anchor off a small island, dinghy ashore, and find a small local bar. Beer and drinks for 50 cents, and many times having them bought for you by locals. We've made a number of good friends down island over the years, a few who have come up to Montreal and stayed with us.

We should get everyone together and do a Webmaster Charter down in the British Virgin Islands or in St. Vincent and the Grenadines. I can guarantee you an amazing time.

BTW, here is the boat we just ordered down at the Miami Boat Show over the weekend. A cutter-rigged Hylas 54 raised deck, center cockpit :matey:

-- Danny

First, this is why I love living in Philly. It is a major city (fifth largest in US) but with a hometown small feel.

Second, NYC. Where and what time of day in NYC, Peaches? If you're in midtown during the day, people are just "busy". If it's even in the evening, and you're going to a show or dinner out, it's still more of a preoccupation with what they are doing.

Having lived there as well for five years, I found NYC rudeness to be a myth. I knew the guys at the stores, the deli, the local pizza join, the movie theater. Talked to people on the street (no, not the bums!). Different feel in Chelsea or the Village (day or night) then say in the Financial District or in MidTown.

Btw, if rudeness means they will take a taxi away from you (yeah, they will) or they won't open a door for you at the front of Macy's (hey, you got two hands, lady, use them!) ... then it's just the difference of aggressiveness and individuality that can be taken as rudeness.

I remember long ago I found (or thought) or business people to be rude in general. ... Until I got into business, that is. LOL. Turns out, being "to the point" and concise and other related traits that are "just business" can be taken as rude or brusk, but usually aren't or at least aren't meant to be.

I have lived in many cities and towns and most sections of the US...in Philly, they will curse you out while they're picking you up.....calling you a fucking idiot as they hand you coffee....
New York...I found to be very friendly; but, then again...I grew up in Philly....

The South? Well, most people know my experience there was simply awful...but, does that speak for the entire south? I don't think so....it was just where we were and who we were with that coloured our experience so poorly.

Jamaica. Now there's a place. Stayed in Negril the year people were rioting in Montego Bay.....we were told to stay in the compound because the natives were selling pot to the rich Americans and then turning them into the police. Saw it happen...it was actually funny....staying in a place like Couples or Sandals or whatever it was...watching a guy buy pot and then five minutes later the Jamaican police swooped down and took the poor schmuck to jail....they didn't want to keep him....just wanted to confiscate the pot and fine him....nice cottage industry. :)

I live in Seattle now....and I kind of miss my East coast blunt....direct....in ya face kind of people...the overly polite, stoicism I find here is kind of alienating..and I am constantly walking around saying, 'don't mind me..it's a cultural thing'.....folks here will ask you how you are as they step over your bleeding body....

Still, no matter where I have lived..no matter what idiosyncratic behaviour exists amongst the people.....smile and the world will generally respond favourably....manners do get results no matter where we are....

i live in Kirkland. I gottta say i agree that people in the NW are VERY passive and obsessively polite. we can meet sometime and I can be very rude and demeaning if you wish. :)

Yeah, what he said.

When I used to walk into Bay Ridge Pizza I was a celebrity. No, really... Frankie behind the counter would start yelling as soon as I came in the door.

Aaaandrewwwww Aaaandrewwwww! Hey, everybody! Andrew's here!

Then the rest of the guys would come out of the kitchen and start doing it too. hahaha People who were eating would look at eachother like "who is this guy? Should we know who he is?"

Best pizza I ever had... B)

I never had a problem in New York....or Washington, DC....Baltimore was a little hinky...but it was Baltimore....:)

The delis in New York and Philly are amazingly loud and friendly...boisterous and just awesome....they flirt with old ladies and make their day...everyone is a dollface or a honey......they tell off coloured jokes...

JR...you're on... let's meet. We can trade those one liner wise cracks....

I've always been the type to talk to strangers...and we'll amuse ourselves in check out lines and make jokes....I get the strangest looks...my G'D, I've spoken aloud.....such reticence....too damned polite..and it's not even polite. I'm trying to think of the word...
Flat....that's it...flat affect...

sounds like fun. you can call/sms me at 425-273-0975

i must warn you. i make fun of everyone and i think its most funny when no one understands the joke.... but I never turn down a chance to go to the U District and Capital Hill to make fun of everyone around me for no real good reason at all. :)

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=hinky

Main Entry: hinky
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: nervous or suspicious; acting suspiciously
Example: The teenagers were acting hinky.
Etymology: alteration of hincty
Usage: hinkier, hinkiest

Or did you mean Kinky? :unsure:

Actually Baltimore is full of Baltimorons
Lot of blue collar from last century, many nedwrecks (rednecks) <I often remark it takes generations of inbreeding to get things like that>
and somewhat inner city urban in places

I thought the Baltimorons were very nice :)

I was with a rude guy from NJ whenever I was in NYC so that might have had something to do with it. Just a lot of people stared at me like I was crazy if I talked to them. They could be right though..... :P

Well, Peaches, New Jersey is kind of a strange place...some are apologists because they don't live in New York or Philly....it's just Jersey, the nuclear waste garbage dump of the east coast....

Then there are those whose superiority springs forth from the inferiority they're trying to make up for by virtue of living in Jersey..it's a little schizy...

I'm just kidding...

There's crap wherever we go...and gems where we can find 'em. :)

J'know whot dis reminds me uv? B)

Ever see the movie "My Blue Heaven"? If not, see it!

Steve Martin is a "Yo" from Brooklyn, da Mafia. Get's sent tuh Cal-ee-for-nee-uh in the witness protection program. Everywhere he goes, clean housing developments, no litter, everyone says "Hello" and "Have a nice day" ... after a while Martin's character just starts replying "Fuck you".

It all depends. As you know, Raven, they are actually two totally different worlds. Dares Noit Joisey and den dares Sout Joisey.

South Jersey is the suburbs of Philly, people live in various townships and boroughs; there's lots of tall trees, and they go "down the shore".

North Jersey is the suburbs of New York, people live off highway exit numbers; there's lots of big rocks, and they "head for the beach".

ah-ha! What's up, Steffie?!

Kath, interesting you brought that up. Here is the amazon.com description of Bowling Alone

"Once we bowled in leagues, usually after work -- but no longer. This seemingly small phenomenon symbolizes a significant social change that Robert Putnam has identified in this brilliant volume, Bowling Alone, which The Economist hailed as "a prodigious achievement."

Drawing on vast new data that reveal Americans' changing behavior, Putnam shows how we have become increasingly disconnected from one another and how social structures -- whether they be PTA, church, or political parties -- have disintegrated. Until the publication of this groundbreaking work, no one had so deftly diagnosed the harm that these broken bonds have wreaked on our physical and civic health, nor had anyone exalted their fundamental power in creating a society that is happy, healthy, and safe."

I've only been to Princeton. I think that's in its own category.

Hello Colin and board,

Long time no read.

I do like the header graphic and new look here, I'm sure it isn't new, but it is to me.

Anyway, about praying and "Allah" references in general, we feel obligated here at HEQmedia to direct attention to this piece:

http://www.heqmedia.com/Sonatria130.html

Thank you in advance,
G.d

:P

Ahhhh. The Muslim Dr. Seuss. You know, of course, that it pales in comparison to the original.

:P [/b][/quote]
Whatchu smokin'?

vick.....I meant hinky.....and kinky doesn't fit. After all, they are suffering from an identity crisis. Not quite citified and not quite the South.....:)

Oh, Dravyk. You do bring back some memories.....doncha sweetie? Been ten years since I've been 'home'.....Arguing where the best steak sandwich place was .....where the best deli was....which diner in the Northeast ruled.....those were the days...

Colin...this sums up Princeton.

I was, unfortunately, at a football game between Penn and Princeton. The ref's most exciting remark was:

Ooh. Fumble.

It's oh so Ivy League. Oh so Ivory Tower. University City was much more fun.

JR....what I miss is being downtown in Philly, sitting by the waterfront making fun of the wannabe yuppies.

Princeton is too pretentious.

At the Yale/Harvard game there is a tradition that during the third quarter the band turns toward the crowd and plays a striptease song. The students of Saybrook, a Yale residential college, then proceed to strip naked.

There is also "the streak". On the day when the parents of incoming freshmen come to visit the Yale campus, hundreds of upperclassmen run naked across the quad.

Back in 1995, when I was a senior, some Yalies protested Playboy's recruiting of Yale women by - get this - streaking. They ended up nude in the next "Women of the Ivy League" issue.

Now about those Princeton students. Nice sweaters.

Been to the Bahamas and to Jamaica but not to Bermuda. Anyways your post reminded me of some things, HP.

From talking to a Bahamian police officer, he really hated the attitude of most Bahamians which he said was to be lazy and bums.

In Jamaica, they also think the Bahamians are bums. In the Bahamas, they think Jamaicans are thieves and con men.

I found the Bahamas more relaxing than Jamaica. In the Bahamas, I would meet maybe four or five panhandlers a day. In Jamaica, while I appreciate their more "work for the money" than "give me some money" attitude, I tended to meet 50-100 Jamaicans who wanted to sell me something.

And unlike the Bahamian bums who you say "got nothing" and they slink away, the Jamaicans wanting to sell me something would just not get out of your face with their list of commodities they could get you. "No, don't want this? I get you that? Hey I got the other. Yo man, what about this then?" They pretended to not understand what the word "No!" meant.

The one thing I've never liked about Jamaica; mind you, it was a lot worse six years ago when I went then two years ago. How did folks find that this recent time?

Next time you get hustled by a Jamaican, tell them to get you some marshmallows :P

This is the most important thing anyone travelling to Jamaica should know.

Whatchu smokin'? [/b][/quote]
life man, i pack a big bowl of it every day and smoke it down.

*gag*

Kath, interesting you brought that up. Here is the amazon.com description of Bowling Alone

"Once we bowled in leagues, usually after work -- but no longer. This seemingly small phenomenon symbolizes a significant social change that Robert Putnam has identified in this brilliant volume, Bowling Alone, which The Economist hailed as "a prodigious achievement."

Drawing on vast new data that reveal Americans' changing behavior, Putnam shows how we have become increasingly disconnected from one another and how social structures -- whether they be PTA, church, or political parties -- have disintegrated. Until the publication of this groundbreaking work, no one had so deftly diagnosed the harm that these broken bonds have wreaked on our physical and civic health, nor had anyone exalted their fundamental power in creating a society that is happy, healthy, and safe." [/b][/quote]
Good point... looks like an interesting read - I actually ordered a copy (and now I'm looking around - I need a 12-step for bookstores - lol).

I guess my family is the perfect example of being disconnected from community/society:

We homeschool.
We "home church" (I don't believe in organized religion).
We work from home.
We socialize from home - online.

The house we've lived in now for over 4 years is in a city that we've never technically "been" to. We live in a small north section of the main city on the outskirts - I've never seen the city hall, public library, any stores/shops/restaurants or public parks in my own city. We travel 2 towns over for most of our activities and shopping. I think we are truly as disconnected as they come.

:unsure:

If it wasn't for sports teams and outside art/music/language classes we really wouldn't have anything to do with our community. The funny thing though is that when people meet my kids they usually describe them as being more "culturally educated" and mature than kids their own age... I wonder how that happened?

Our society is increasingly isolated and disconnected. The suicide rate has gone up...over the years and I believe there is a direct correlation....

Kath...we work from home, do not go to any 'church'. My church is inside of me....has a membership of one...

I don't know my neighbours. Don't want to...

I'm not involved in my community and I keep them away from me...

Interestingly, though, Tev does belong to a bowling league...and we do have friends..that are off line...but most of my social life is with Tev, my son and my extended family....and the shows I attend...ICQ and phone..

"If it wasn't for sports teams and outside art/music/language classes we really wouldn't have anything to do with our community. The funny thing though is that when people meet my kids they usually describe them as being more "culturally educated" and mature than kids their own age... I wonder how that happened?" --- They have you for a mother, that's how it happened...you don't shelter them from life...