(singing)

You say racketerring and I say marketeering
marketeering , racketerring, racketeering , marketeering

Lets open an affiliate programme!!


;-))))

every time this spam argument comes up, i walk down to my mailbox, pull out a bunch of catalogues, flyers and note cards, scratch my head, and throw them in the trash and wonder....if they make the electronic stuff illegal, why dont they start with the postal system... then i remember, oh yeah, its the UNITED STATES POSTAL SERVICE... they make money off of it.

so the answer is, if the Federal government cannot make money off of it, they want to shut it down until such time that they can figure out a way to charge for it, then they will encourage it.

:)

WTF do you think I've been doing for the last few months!!!!

;-))))

However I really like this "I will NOT spam you , if you pay me "

There is...blackmail , email , spamming...

How about BAMMING - the art of being paid NOT to spam.

;-))) [/b][/quote]
Hahaha... I wouldn't be surprised to see someone try it!!

Ain't that the fucking truth. I can undrstand adult spam.... but mainstream. No fucking different than the boatloads of spam shit I get in my mailbox every day.

except that I've never received anything in my mailbox that says CUM GARGLING FUCK BAG ....

the day you do, your argument has weight :rolleyes:

So you haven't received the postcard I sent you yet , then?


;-))

LMFAO
:biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

hey i think i still get klixxx magazine or something

:agrin:

I get your point, im all in favor of banning adult spam, its not offensve, but its overrun my mailboxes. its out of control.

i wouldnt even let my son/daughter have their own mailbox. I would personally filter their mail.

:rolleyes: and stop rolling your eyes at me :rolleyes:

>i wouldnt even let my son/daughter have their own mailbox. I would personally filter their mail.

a-fucking-men!!!!

almost every adult webmaster i know checks their child's inbox before letting them read their email ... and funnily enough, don't have many problems with kids receiving spam mail!

i'll do this instead

:P

Or, what if JoeWebmaster gets pissed off at a sponsor and spams the sponsor using DannyWebmaster's affiliate code?
The feds crack down on the sponsor, who knows nothing about it, the feds and the sponsor crack down on DannyWebmaster, who also knows nothing about it, and the T.O.S. couldn't do a thing to stop it. Even the sponsor keeping so close an eye on DannyWebmaster that they're practically handing him toilet paper when he's done shitting couldn't do a thing to stop it.

Hehe - we used to send those out to the owner of record for every number that called one of our 900 numbers. When little Johnny visits Granny and calls a porn site and she gets a porn magazine......

Never got in a lick of trouble for it either. The consumer had to fill out a form to stop it and I guess if we continued after that we would have been in shit, but sending it out in the first place is A-OK as far as the USPS is concerned.

Or, what if JoeWebmaster gets pissed off at a sponsor and spams the sponsor using DannyWebmaster's affiliate code?
The feds crack down on the sponsor, who knows nothing about it, the feds and the sponsor crack down on DannyWebmaster, who also knows nothing about it, and the T.O.S. couldn't do a thing to stop it. Even the sponsor keeping so close an eye on DannyWebmaster that they're practically handing him toilet paper when he's done shitting couldn't do a thing to stop it. [/b][/quote]
Exactly. It will be easier for programs to get rid of affiliates or only have a handful of trusted ones at that point.

The difference is you have to pay to send each piece of postal mail.

If it were free, like email is, you can bet we'd all have to have mailboxes the size of 55 gallon drums or larger. And we wouldn't be able to find our copy of TV Guide because it was buried underneath thousands of offers for dick pills and subscription offers to Nuns 'n Nazis.

...most of which would be postmarked Vancouver. :rolleyes:

The difference is you have to pay to send each piece of postal mail.

If it were free, like email is, you can bet we'd all have to have mailboxes the size of 55 gallon drums or larger. And we wouldn't be able to find our copy of TV Guide because it was buried underneath thousands of offers for dick pills and subscription offers to Nuns 'n Nazis.

...most of which would be postmarked Vancouver. :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
last I heard, BP hosting wasn't exactly cheap and email lists even resembling quality weren't bargains...
mailing is hardly cheap....

The store that has my postal mailbox has a huge trash can sitting right next to the boxes so that when you get junk mail you can toss it right in there and not even have to deal with taking it home. They shred it a few times and sell it as packing material. :)

Anyone got a URL where I can find out more about this FTC situation?

The store that has my postal mailbox has a huge trash can sitting right next to the boxes so that when you get junk mail you can toss it right in there and not even have to deal with taking it home. They shred it a few times and sell it as packing material. :)

Anyone got a URL where I can find out more about this FTC situation? [/b][/quote]
Hey sweetie! Haven't seen you or Mike around much since the newborn. Hope things are going well :)

http://ftc.gov/opa/2005/01/globalnetsolutions.htm

(stop being such a stranger! :okthumb: )

The difference is you have to pay to send each piece of postal mail.

If it were free, like email is, you can bet we'd all have to have mailboxes the size of 55 gallon drums or larger. And we wouldn't be able to find our copy of TV Guide because it was buried underneath thousands of offers for dick pills and subscription offers to Nuns 'n Nazis.

...most of which would be postmarked Vancouver. :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
Where did you ever get the idea that sending email was free?

last I heard, BP hosting wasn't exactly cheap and email lists even resembling quality weren't bargains...
mailing is hardly cheap.... [/b][/quote]
all of the overheads are to get around various rules, which have only come in gradually over the years ...

i think we all still work under the perception that mail is cheap, because once upon a time all ya needed were a few pre-paid dialup accounts and a computer :biglaugh:

i know people who used to spam from their own internet accounts ... with their names on it and everything.

try doing that now and you'd have an anti on your doorstep with an uzi LOL

its still cheaper than sending physical mailouts because there is no 'per unit' cost as such ...

Where did you ever get the idea that sending email was free? [/b][/quote]
Silly me.

Yes, there's a base cost, but I'm sure you get the point, you dont have to pay per message like you do with postal mail.

Or, what if JoeWebmaster gets pissed off at a sponsor and spams the sponsor using DannyWebmaster's affiliate code?
The feds crack down on the sponsor, who knows nothing about it, the feds and the sponsor crack down on DannyWebmaster, who also knows nothing about it, and the T.O.S. couldn't do a thing to stop it. Even the sponsor keeping so close an eye on DannyWebmaster that they're practically handing him toilet paper when he's done shitting couldn't do a thing to stop it. [/b][/quote]
Firstly, why would this happen?
JoeWebmaster isn't going to make any money, so why would he send traffic to someone else's account?

These vindictive ideas are a bit of a reach ... there is no logic behind using this as an argument against the FTC holding the program owner responsible for affiliates actions, because its a rare situation that can never be planned for ANYWAY.

The affiliate manager would get word of a problem, contact DannyWebmaster who would deny involvement. DannyWebmasters account would be closed down and depending on their relationship with affiliate program would find a solution for their other traffic.

If by chance this 1 freak occurance just happened to get the FTC's attention, how can they prove you benefited from the 'whatever' traffic if you closed down the account before they told you to?

I think we're taking this a bit literally ... your example case wouldn't even get their attention - even sadaam hussain is being given right to a trial :rolleyes:

As an affiliate program owner its pretty simple .... just don't deal with cockholsters ............. but no matter how well you prepare, shit just happens sometimes. Its a lot more common for a guilty person to get away with murder than for an innocent person to be convicted, so why waste energy preparing for something that is very unlikely its ever going to be an issue?

i'll do this instead

:P [/b][/quote]
that works :blink:

hey keep Dannywebmaster out of your discussions, he's just a small time guy trying to make enough money to buy his sweetie some goodies

:)

:P

Missed you in Vegas :(

:P

Missed you in Vegas :( [/b][/quote]
I missed you also sweetie. You know you dont think about not going right up till it's here then while all your friends are together having fun and doing biz you really really miss it/them. I'm going to make a big effort of make the summer show so I can catch up :)

It was probably claimed, disclaimed, reclaimed, and never really put to bed either way in that case. Nor will anyone ever know, since if it did go on, I wouldn't much expect either the FTC or the instigative parties to claim it did.

Here's a little story I do know from firsthand heresay ;)

Back in the day, a man owned an adult video store in Alabama. Seems this man forgot to pay his taxes correctly. Quite a spot he found himself in, it appeared. But an angel of mercy came down and said to him, "hey, pal, order these videos from this company and get them shipped down here to good ole Alabama, and we'll make a deal with you on this other little problem you're having."

Of course with that said, when the Feds actually arrived at the video production house, they had the videos that were considered potentially a very good case for obscenity in Alabama. They had been shipped across state lines as well. So the owner of the production company did some time in jail.

Not for shipping the videos, mind you. That was the least of his worries. It seems the Feds waltzed in the door with indictments for several employees besides the owner, and they also had a seating chart detailing where every one of those employees happened to be sitting when they arrived. They also knew a lot more about the business than just getting those videos shipped would have warranted them to know. The owner made a deal to get the employees out of the loop, his time for their freedom on the surface.

I've heard it said that the average time from the start of an investigation to a RICO conviction is around six years. That was before the start of the internet and all the other fast paced technologies that speed up the very fabric of time. [/b][/quote]
You forgot to mention how this could be avoided by a Zip Code list...

Amen! That's for damn sure.

I barely even doing adult any more but I still have adult sites and an interest in all of this. Plus, I enjoy Oprano and its people.

No TOS, laws, rules or anything else is going to protect you from harassment. If the law or government wants to impose on you they will. Trust me on that. There are lots of people who went broke fighting decency lawsuits based on moral standards…. Years later and no money they win? I don’t think so.

I’m not surprised by any of this really. It’s going to get worse and I’m truly surprised at the ones who didn’t start shifting sails a long time ago when shit started hitting the fan. If you’ve been in business, especially the adult biz you watch the transitions and you know that it will hit absolute bottom before it changes into a new horizon. I’d simply ride the tides, not invest, and do business carefully and with a watchful eye. Things are bound to change.

Call it Tam’s prediction but this Bush ride is going to get really scary. You don’t even know the half of it. On top of that the earth is changing and your ass might be under water soon so sell everything, reduce your overhead and start living your dreams! I’m building a commune out here on my land (that will probably go under water too) so if you run out of money just come pitch your tent. I’ll feed you but I’ll also make you work harder then you ever have! Lol

Hahahaha, I don't sell them. ;)

And actually, if they want you that badly, they'll just keep calling to place the order until they get someone who fucks up and does it. But then again, that's a different story from the same time frame.