Because the screens are getting bigger, and the technology more advanced. On my phone that I have ( a sony ericson Z1010 ) and the network im on ( 3 Hutchinsons ), I can access the internet and download the latest Movie Trailers and watch them within minutes. And it isn't even a very recent or even that fancy a phone anymore.

I almost feel everyone is holding back with their ideas for what they can provide via mobile phones. Already you are getting hybrid phone / pda / mp3 player / portable video game systems. Just wait til they bring out the iCall, an iPod with mobile capabilities (or something like that). Or something that takes the market by storm.

Anyway, its something I dont want to miss out on personally, and hopefully we will be launching a unique mobile adult service pretty soon.

i think the pressing question is.. why? this is a business model doomed for failure. [/b][/quote]
LMAO

yeah what a stupid idea :rolleyes:

I think you've been sitting at your computer for too long Grimm!!!

Step out into the real world for a minute ... porn actually sells better when its portable, and if you think size or speed have anything to do with it, you must have forgotten how you made money in the Internet pre 2000 :rolleyes:

LMAO

yeah what a stupid idea :rolleyes:

I think you've been sitting at your computer for too long Grimm!!!

Step out into the real world for a minute ... porn actually sells better when its portable, and if you think size or speed have anything to do with it, you must have forgotten how you made money in the Internet pre 2000 :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
I guess ill just have to wait for the technology to catch up. why would i pay for porn on my mobile phone? the screen resolution is too low, the data speeds are still too low for even non graphical WAP pages. remember i live in the us, not Japan. the US isnt high speed digital cellular ready in most areas. the most we can get is ISDN speeds, and that is in limmited areas, some metropolitan areas are EDGE network ready, but that is a handful of cities.


I still dont see it working. Too many obstacles.


your pre-2000 argument doesnt hold water.. the playing field was level then.. sped was what it was.. now you are approaching a market moving at cable modem speeds with ASCI technology moving at a turtles pace. There may be a market sometime, but there is such a thing as being TOO ahead of the curve.

:nyanya:

You are rockin today, Grimm. Irritation? [/b][/quote]
I actually have no recollection of posting that. odd

actually, I see adult as more of a way of getting this technology to the masses, but the real money will be made in services and products outside of the adult industry...but now I've said too much without invoicing for consulting services rendered
;-)

I guess ill just have to wait for the technology to catch up. why would i pay for porn on my mobile phone? the screen resolution is too low, the data speeds are still too low for even non graphical WAP pages. remember i live in the us, not Japan. the US isnt high speed digital cellular ready in most areas. the most we can get is ISDN speeds, and that is in limmited areas, some metropolitan areas are EDGE network ready, but that is a handful of cities.


I still dont see it working. Too many obstacles.


your pre-2000 argument doesnt hold water.. the playing field was level then.. sped was what it was.. now you are approaching a market moving at cable modem speeds with ASCI technology moving at a turtles pace. There may be a market sometime, but there is such a thing as being TOO ahead of the curve.

:nyanya: [/b][/quote]
ok grimm
if you say so

:)

I'm sorry I was out all afternoon and missed this thread!

That reciever pays billing model is the craziest thing I have ever heard of... American telco's woud be eaten alive in a competitive wireless market.. lucky for them someone sold America a lemon at the start and the rest of the world followed Europe.



Cleo and Grimm... Imagine a time when Cellphones cost less to use than landlines... cell-cell is free for many services... live video calls on cellphones are possible.. TV on your cell phone is possible.. java applications start being released by every company you deal with... every day you see new services that you can Only get by wireless.. every TV show has some PAY offer to buy something related to that show by SMS.

Most of that happens now for most of the world.. in fact I am only using the word cellphone for American benefit.. as they aren't even really phones anymore.. they are fast being accepted as "wireless devices" and every American person will "need" one the same way you "need" a pc/web access now.. 3G in America will change the world.. 200million of you bastards becoming newbie wireless customers over the next 12-24 months feels like being around at the start of the web again!!

Of course KK is 2 steps ahead of the crowd as usual :okthumb:

My phone died recently and T-Mobile did everything they could to sell me this huge phone with a big screen that did everything but be small enough to fit in my jean's pocket. They even lied to me and told me that Sony Ericsson had gone out of business. In the end I got the same phone that I had.

The problem with these phones that do all of this stuff is that you have to fit the screen and buttons someplace which makes the phone huge.

For people that like small phones, most of the people that I know want a very small phone that fits in their pocket, these do everything video phones are just too big.

If you download porn to your pc, where do you wank over it?
Over your keyboard, or do you take the memory with you and do it in the bed or toilet?

Mobile porn will be bigger than online imho

I totally agree. I've got a Sony Ericson too Cleo... and HATE it.. apart from the fact that it does fit into my pocket so perfectly.

it's a T200 or maybe a T300 (I forget) which has almost none of the cool 3G features.

What I really want is a phone this size that fits into a slightly larger "shell" like a laptop docking station with some hard drive space and a XGA quality screen.

so I can carry the phone about in my pocket and leave the bulky part in the car or a home when not wanted.



*Edit: Now i know why you finally got a cellphone Baldie!! :P

This reminds me of all the people that keep on saying that Apple should add movie playing to the iPod.

Unless you like watching movies on a postage stamp size screen they would have to make the iPod huge which just kills the whole reason that makes the iPod great.

When the combo phones PIM came out I watched a bunch of people that I know buy them and now they have all gone back to a small phone.

Apple and Motorola are coming out with a combo iPod cell phone later this year. I could see me maybe getting this if it is about the same size as the phone that I have now so that when I go to the gym or biking I don't have to carry two devices but it would have to work as good as each do now and still be real small. Actually I doubt I would get one since most of the time I just need a phone.

I want the screen for interactive applications, not movies.

You can plug your ipod into your phone as a storage device with most new models.. Your cellphone network provider might like to give you a Free CD download per month as part of your contract.

Frankly I think that attempting to look at mobile porn as an end and means unto itself is a bit premature at the moment.

However -- if you look at it as part of an overall marketing package that you present to your member base -- and you consider it a way to create more revenue off an existing customer (which is economically held to be more cost efficient than getting a new customer) then you are putting yourself into a business situation where you can justify the ROI. Of course if you put yourself into a position where you have very very little to do in order to attempt to create additional revenue through mobile service products, then the ROI starts to look even better.

Cell phones are for the most part, toys and gadgets to Americans. Think of how many of those little shield patch thingies were sold to protect from solar radiation to the head lol...

This really isn't about porn on cell phones, it's about creative marketing to cell phone owners.

FUCKING IDIOT---------->spazlabz<---------FUCKING IDIOT

How the *&^%!!! do you 'spam' a cell phone. I have had one cell phone or another for a few years now and I have never gotten any sms from anyone other then someone I had personally given my cell phone number to. True enough, I ONLY use my cell phone for
go figure
zany nutty me
PHONE CALLS when i am away from home
I don't surf the web on my phone. I am blind for crying out loud and no matter how big the screen is the nipple is still going to be about the size of a pin head!!
I know I know, a lot of people, esp younger ones, use their cells for everything including surfing the web and possibly rubbing one out with them, so i see the potential, but how do you advertise to them? I am stuck in the web based paradigm I reckon.
And if I got charged for every single sms I received I would blow my top if i started to get a lot of spam that i had to pay for. screw that. someone over at cingular would be figuring out a way for me to only allow messages from 'trusted people'

yeah.......
so there :P

spaz

Whats your cell phone number?

I have access to SpamBastard now bwahahhahaah.

Welcome back Spaz....

I want to thank you publically on behalf of all the FFN's. I went to that kick ass Extreme Paychecks booth to pick up my party passes and Extreme Nate saw my badge and he exclaimed..... oh your Spaz's friend!

Because of you those guys treated us like we were kings..... I think Richard N. Bush got hooked up for a booty call...

http://www.chase-me.com

Serge is going to be plenty pissed too!!!

Anyhow I wanted to say thanks for the hook up man. That bunch of guys were very nice --- the booth was great ---- and the party was smoking. I know they convert my paultry trickle of traffic pretty well too!

FREE SPAZ!!!

Whats your cell phone number?

I have access to SpamBastard now bwahahhahaah.

Welcome back Spaz....

I want to thank you publically on behalf of all the FFN's. I went to that kick ass Extreme Paychecks booth to pick up my party passes and Extreme Nate saw my badge and he exclaimed..... oh your Spaz's friend!

Because of you those guys treated us like we were kings..... I think Richard N. Bush got hooked up for a booty call...

http://www.chase-me.com

Serge is going to be plenty pissed too!!!

Anyhow I wanted to say thanks for the hook up man. That bunch of guys were very nice --- the booth was great ---- and the party was smoking. I know they convert my paultry trickle of traffic pretty well too!

FREE SPAZ!!! [/b][/quote]
Thanks Gonz!! Glad you had a great time.......it was nothing
no really....... I didn't do a thing!! heh heh
Those guys at Extreme Paychecks definitely know how to throw a party and have everyone have a great time. Your right, they are an awesome group of folks and I am stoked (does anyone still use that word cept me?) that you got to have a kick ass time John, Nate, Eric (Uncle Spunky!!) & Robyn is some good peeps.


spaz

Whats your cell phone number?

I have access to SpamBastard now bwahahhahaah.

Welcome back Spaz....

I want to thank you publically on behalf of all the FFN's. I went to that kick ass Extreme Paychecks booth to pick up my party passes and Extreme Nate saw my badge and he exclaimed..... oh your Spaz's friend!

Because of you those guys treated us like we were kings..... I think Richard N. Bush got hooked up for a booty call...

http://www.chase-me.com

Serge is going to be plenty pissed too!!!

Anyhow I wanted to say thanks for the hook up man. That bunch of guys were very nice --- the booth was great ---- and the party was smoking. I know they convert my paultry trickle of traffic pretty well too!

FREE SPAZ!!! [/b][/quote]
Thanks for the kind words Gonzo it was awesome meeting you and Im glad you had a great time at the party. :rokk:

Far out man! I think you must be the last one, but more people should as it's a groovy word!! ;-))

Peace

ok grimm
if you say so

:) [/b][/quote]
see, that wasnt so hard :biglaugh:

I totally agree

In working on partnerships for the new cell/mobile company I just got major funding for,
I've met some great companies who really know what they are doing with content delivery and delivery systems.

AEBN even had some interesting products to show off at InterNext. [/b][/quote]
or you could just work with me..

i know you spent some good time browsing my affiliate program with CJ.

ahem.

yes I did leedsfan, and I like a lot ;-)

I see a future in sellng cellphone magnifying glasses! :zoinks:

With all of this in mind, I watched a biography thingy last night on Alexander Graham Bell.

When the first phone's came out, everyone thought they were a toy. The phone came out of Bell's first trying to create a multiplex telegraph system. The best up til that point had been Edison's 4X (four messages could be telegraphed over one wire.) Bell, with a background in music, was trying to create the multiplex and stumbled over the "harmonic telegraph" as the answer, a way of sending, for example, multiple musical notes, but each receiving telegraph would be able to only get the message of that "note". That lead to whole thing with "voice over a wire."

First, his backer kept telling him to stop this phone nonsense and get back to working on the improved telegraph, but was later convinced. Western Union who was the monolith that owned the telegraphs, didn't see any value in this "phone thing" -- and it's become known as the biggest mistake in the history of business anywhere.

Even after it's invention, people did not get it at first, nor did companies get it at first either. Amazing huh?

Keep this in mind too though. At the time, a phone line worked only if you had a direct line to whoever you were calling. If 20 people in your town had a line, you were NOT connected to all 20 by virtue of you each having a phone. (Sorta closest thing now is you can't walkie-talkie a Sprint customer on a Verizon phone, etc.)

So you couldn't call another person until the switch board was created. Then that had to be automated. Then, one city couldn't call another until a hub center linked switching centers, etc.

With all of that, anyhow, it makes me wonder, what can SMS and cell phones do in three years that 99% of us now cannot even comprehend. More importantly, of all the ways things can go, which one is the right way, and how to capitialize on it? That is the question.

not to mention that little old magazine industry :rolleyes:

people are used to portable porn - it will be easier to sell them mobile porn than internet porn ... not to mention that you don't need the internet or a computer to view it.

screen size and speed are irrelevant, that problem will be solved for us within 2 years ... but even in its current form, there's still millions of dollars being made from shitty 128 pixel gif images and 2 bars of a song turned into a ringtone.

i think the money to be made in the novelty period of anything new is worth almost as much as its entire business life.

remember how much we all made off 4 frames per second live video feeds? there were way more barriers to finding the customers then than there are with cellphones.

there's a good chance that in 5 years time, the internet will return to being a geeks tool, and every single area in your life will be controlled by your cell phone. bring on the days when there's an atm card built into a cell phone :okthumb:

Did it say that on the italian inventor Antonio Meucci is credited for the invention of the telephone, and not Alexander G. Bell?

As to the sms/cellphone question, there are no limitations.

Nope it said his chief nemeis was a guy named Grey in Chicago who founded Western Electric. Grey beat him by a heart beat to the multiplex, and Grey lost by a hair on the patent on the telephone. Also research notes proved Bell's phone idea was over a year older than when Grey got his idea for his version.

interesting.... The reason i asked was i read this ...

The long controversy started when a poor italian immigrant in New York sold the prototypes of his invention to a Telegraph company, that later gave them to Alexander G. Bell, who in turn patented the invention of the phone.

Still now in downtown Boston, MA, there is a monument that marks the spot where the "first" phone call took place. But things apparently went differently...

Born in 1808 in Florence, in 1845 he left his poor homeland to the new world. Initially obsessed with medical uses of electricity, Meucci realized soon that one could transmit voice via wire, and between 1850 and 1862 he developed at least 30 different models of telephone, although he was too poor to protect his inventions with a patent (this would have costed him $250, that he did not have). Even worse, he had to sell all his early models for $6 in 1870 when he fell ill. However in 1871 he managed to obtain a cheaper official document called a 'Caveat' stating his paternity of the invention (that he called teletrophone).

After te sale of the old prototypes, in 1874 he handed some new models to the vice-president of Western Union Telegraphs, and in 1876 he had the surprise to read from the newspapers that Alexander G. Bell was credited of this amazing new invention. In 1887 the judges annulled Bell's patent, but since his 1871 Caveat was by then expired, he was never credited with the invention.

In the years of poverty, he kept on repeating to his wife that his inventions would make them rich one day. He died poor in 1889 in New York City. After 113 years, the Congress on request of an italian-american representative officially stated that Meucci was to be considered the inventor of the telephone.

This place just mentions Bell and Grey http://inventors.about.com/library/i...ltelephone.htm

This one mentions them and a German named Reis, and another Italian named Bourseul (and nothing about Meucci) http://www.uh.edu/engines/epi1098.htm

In short ... who knows? I'd wager more searching would turn up 10 other names including Edison's.