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DrGuile 06-22-2004 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Jun 22 2004, 01:38 PM
DrGuille,
join GFYers
;_))

http://www.FuckYouLensman.com/showthread.p...threadid=316188

Who's cock?
You do not have permission to vote on this poll.
I would rather suck Lensman's cock 2 25.00%
I would rather suck Serge's cock 6 75.00%

drunk it is...

SykkBoy 06-22-2004 04:33 PM

who's more predictable?
Moore's supporters or his detractors?
hard to tell some days....

I'll be buying my ticket this weekend and watching the movie and will probably be entertained for 90 minutes. That's all I ask, and hey, it might even stir up some conversation and debate. That's never a bad thing.

Winetalk.com 06-23-2004 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DrGuile+Jun 22 2004, 01:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DrGuile @ Jun 22 2004, 01:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Serge_Oprano@Jun 22 2004, 01:38 PM
DrGuille,
join GFYers
;_))

http://www.FuckYouLensman.com/showthread.p...threadid=316188

Who's cock?
You do not have permission to vote on this poll.
I would rather suck Lensman's cock 2 25.00%
I would rather suck Serge's cock 6 75.00%

drunk it is... [/b][/quote]
drunk?
FYI,
since the begining of April,
I shoot myself with LSD, 3-5 times a day,
you have a problem with that?

Almighty Colin 06-23-2004 05:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RawAlex@Jun 22 2004, 12:20 PM
Colin, major policy decisions can be swayed by such things as:

- your father being used as a doormat (literally) in Iraq
- your family position in the oil industry
- the position of your key advisors and close staff in the energy business
- your desire to be a "tough president"
- your desire to make the world think like you.

I sort of like the US way: We will make you free if you like it or not.

The ultimate decision to invade or not invade IRAQ was made by one man, and there were many different things that could be read into his choice.

As for 9/11- even the commission has concluded that there are no provable links between Saddam and BinLadin, that Saddam had refused AlQaida training facilities in his country, and that before the war, there was no indications of terrorists using Iraq as a home base. That was Afghanistan, remember that country?

Linking 9/11 to Saddam is stroke of genius that allows them to write off every dead soldier as a "vicitm of the war on terror".

It is impressive.

The "little lies" of a film maker are nothing compared to the "little lies" of the current US administration, IMHO.

Alex

I think they are more likely along the lines of ...

What should our post Cold War policy transform into given that 9-11 happened?

What could be worse than 9-11 and what can we do to prevent those possibilities?

Should we continue and even escalate the pre-emptive strikes policy used in the 1990s?

How should we deal with "rogue regimes" in light of 9-11?

Given the above, what kind of response to 9-11 are we prepared with at this point? (Until that date, not coincidentally, the US military had prepared largely for land wars intending to overthrow and replace regimes).

You know, the kind of things everyone - including us citizens - with an interest in foreign policy has been asking themselves since that fateful day.

And yes, in the end, one man made the final decision but there were literally hundreds who had influence and a voice, including National Defense Council members and the Department of Defense. The question was not "who has responsibility" but rather "how did that decision come about"?

As far as "freedom", maybe it's an illusion like that preceding World War I
but it sure looks like major powers war is over. Why? Maybe it's the newest round of globalization - economies integrated into a functioning whole. If so, Middle East Democracies - if they indeed can be created by the sword - may be the solution to Middle Eastern violence. Side note: this would also seem to indicate that a war between the US and China is highly unlikely.

Almighty Colin 06-23-2004 08:31 AM

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Winetalk.com 06-23-2004 09:05 AM

now u have double post

sarettah 06-23-2004 09:20 AM

Bitch Punch:

Use a large container (preferably 55 gallon or more)
Add 20 gallons of Hawaiian Punch (or any other sweet flavored concoction of your choice)

Add:

10 gallons Everclear
1 gallon Rum (151 proof preferred)
1 gallon Absinthe
1 gallon Vodka (real stuff, not the wimpy flavored stuff)

2 pounds of assorted citrus (lemons, limes , oranges)

Stir well.

Add 2 to 3 Bitches

Agitate aggresively




Makes for one hell of a party :yowsa:

DrGuile 06-23-2004 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jun 23 2004, 03:18 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jun 23 2004, 03:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-DrGuile@Jun 22 2004, 01:40 PM

drunk it is...

drunk?
FYI,
since the begining of April,
I shoot myself with LSD, 3-5 times a day,
you have a problem with that? [/b][/quote]
That's ok, I do not judge you.

Because, like my avatar now says, I love everyone...


Let's be friends




:agrin:



(despite all this non-sense, I still am a big believer in the shades of gray philosophy and I have been since I can remember.)

Winetalk.com 06-23-2004 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DrGuile@Jun 23 2004, 08:43 AM




(despite all this non-sense, I still am a big believer in the shades of gray philosophy and I have been since I can remember.)

this is a sure sign of maturity and multi-dimensional mind

RawAlex 06-23-2004 10:57 AM

Colin, isn't North Korea a "rogue regime" as well? they have developed and threatened to use nuclear weapons directly on a US ally. Isn't that an issue?

Isn't Iran a "rogue regime"? They are also actively developing nuclear weapons, have recently taken a number of brits hostage (arrested, technicality!), and threaten to destable the entire middle east even more than it already is?

Only Iraq got "treatment A"... everyone else is getting "let's talk".

Why?

Alex

grimm 06-25-2004 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jun 22 2004, 06:00 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Jun 22 2004, 06:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-RawAlex@Jun 22 2004, 09:04 AM
Buff, talk about typical debate club bullshit.

if someone is against the specific actions taken by bush, then they have to be "for the bad guy". Not liking Bush's personal war on Saddam doesn't mean we were all going to go over and give him a hug and tell him how nice of a dictator he is.

It's stupid.

When you want to talk about re-writing history, let's talk about Chenney still talking about how Saddam and BinLadin were best buddies and they were both working together to get the US. Let's talk about how the Bush administration has managed to make the US public believe that the war in Iraq is as a result of the 9/11 attacks, that Saddam is somehow personally responsible. Let's talk about how the whole WMD thing just sort of disappeared into the wind... and how suddenly that wasn't the justification for war.

No movie in the world can be as bad as the reality that is Bushworld.

Alex

Alkex,
your zest for "Paint me anti-Bush" is lacking those "256 shades of grey": either.

One will NEVER become an analytical mind using only black and white colors.

Looking at two of you squabling gives me more appreciation for my own brain. [/b][/quote]
someone finally appreciates you for your brain, and not just the package it omes in. and it only took 30 something years;) congratulations:)

grimm 06-25-2004 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RawAlex@Jun 23 2004, 06:58 AM
Colin, isn't North Korea a "rogue regime" as well? they have developed and threatened to use nuclear weapons directly on a US ally. Isn't that an issue?

Isn't Iran a "rogue regime"? They are also actively developing nuclear weapons, have recently taken a number of brits hostage (arrested, technicality!), and threaten to destable the entire middle east even more than it already is?

Only Iraq got "treatment A"... everyone else is getting "let's talk".

Why?

Alex

heres a spinoff,

how is Korea going to reat to its beheading, from what i have been reading there is an insurgency of people in that country that are very angry at their government for not providing protections.


Will there be retaliations?


Matt


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