That's right blame it all on the sponsor shaving

ah ha ha ha ha

At least we all know all sponsors shave

Im not going to ask you for traffic or anything, but we convert just fine. We're just working on new ways to get traffic.

i did not really want to start a shaving expose'....we all know ALL sponsors shave to a degree...it is a fact of this business..

b ut this turned into a nice informative thread..

i really just wanted to state how many of the program owners run around saying we convert this...we convert that...when fact of the matter is....its all bullshit...

I for one am working dilligently to produce something that will hopefully be beneficial to webmasters and program owners alike....

like i said before.....just looking for what sticks....

jim weg pimproll and sunnydollars are good ones that all offer 1 dollar trials and no console options

Pushpills.....i happen to be VERY familiar with WEG :)

and all the rest......seeing as how i started in this biz in '95

but thanks anyway.

I'm aware that you have, but if you arent converting with those, it's the traffic then.

Weg is by FAR and away the best converting sponsor for us right now.....

i use them every chance i get...but you need more than 1 sponsor....

jim, maybe you aren't niching as best as you can or you are throwing away traffic on console programs.

try using a popunder with all free links, Asian, Lesbian, etc, pushing those to a forfree program with no consoles and using your own popunder on each, with a list of those niched sites and descriptions of the site.

works well. and filter your foreign traffic if you want accurate conversions.

I'm going to be sick....

pushpills giving advice...someone please smash his camero

I don't do 0:2000 :awinky:

Greg, you're in a different category here...you have fans that are loyal cause yer an artist - my traffic isn't artist based. Conversions are down across the board for me...across multiple sponsors with the same price/niche. I don't think people cut the shavomatic on in unison.

It's obviously a different situation for you. You have fans that follow you from your mainstream comic work to online and they're loyal cause they won't see your stuff anywhere else. On top of that, Cyberage is one of the few sponsors that openly tells people to do test sign ups...

Please allow me to qualify your statement

If you are pushing 100+ joins per day personally your statement then has some validity

If you are under 100 joins per day we may be speaking in different fields

Yes fan base traffic can be very loyal and profitable but it is challenging to control enough to make a daily impact

Just wanted to make sure everyone saw this. :P

BTW, if you haven't tried the new Purecash yet, you REALLY need to. Great conversions there, too :)

Peaches....i will always talk highly of WEG.....who does everyone answer to over there nowadays?

i may be interested in some cross over stuff...

I do have a site that is slightly different than adult and it is converting just fine....never changes day in day out.....

The processors seem to be scrubbing a bit harder too
we use a cascading billing system and have steered a majority of our sales through epoch as ccbill just seems to be scrubbing harder. We've also seen a mini-spike in web900 sales (really, they are only about 1% of sales normally, but now it's been closer to 2%) and we've just added/are still adding a couple more billing solutions and seeing a few extra % here and there and once they are fully implemented, hope to see this save a handful of sales we'd normally have lost.

We've also been working harder on retaining members since actual acquisition is a little tougher (especially for a new program that isn't dazzling affiliates with promises of high signups and pictures of ferarri's, etc. or other fancy, shiny objects). We're adding extra levels of interactivity to keep members busy and wanting to come back instead of just forgetting to cancel. We're also looking to spin off some of our more popular models onto their own single girl websites and increase the awareness of our girls. We're already seeing more SE traffic searching for our sites (still not sure why a surfer would search for "busty amateur boobs" instead of just typing in the dotcom).

It's going to take a little more creativity in this industry to draw the attention of surfers. In this day and age of TGP surfers used to fresh, new content everyday, exclsuive content will be more important than ever before.

We're also looking into DRM and playing games with the P2P crowd. and well as looking at "portable porn" (cell phones, PDA's, etc.)



Last edited by SykkBoy at Jun 22 2004, 03:33 PM

Me. I have taken over! :P

Jason and Jordan are still running the show :)

email me at peaches@wegcash.com and let's put something together - ditto with Purecash stuff - I'm multisponsored :okthumb:

Peaches...you have mail.

it will be interesting to say the least!

sounds like a plan...
hit me up and we can discuss what you need

That's funny Vick.... I didn't realise that was an across the board thing!

I have had the same experience... 2 weeks ago was best week of the year so far... then last week was a bummer... and just ok so far this week.


I think Slav is closest to the truth of what is driving market changes.

Apart from being "over it", many US surfers have just spent near their limit they want to ever spend on web porn now imho. Couple with that the efforts of some major programs to only concentrate on CC billing for US surfers whilst pushing the rest off to dialers and toolbars and whatnot... and I wouldnt be surprised at all if convert ratios are getting far worse on average for most people.

Sykk...already signed up and i will be working things out over the next week or so...

the new program *** **** is not ready for public consumtion yet but hopefully soon...


then we will be rollin'!

I'm just taking a shot in the dark here cj..... but don't you think offering CHECKS as a payment option would help??? ;-))) [/b][/quote]
yes definately - we hadn't settled on a pricing point yet which is why I hadn't been in touch.

can you guys set us up an account? lmk what details I need to give you - we've got all the scripts etc and it will all be running almost the same so we just need an account and we can put it up straight away.

have to figure out how to report that to affiliates though - we can track it fine using your system but its a bit trickier to display it in the stats ;/

can you get wig to hit me up on icq when he has a few minutes please?

thanks!!

I think that through all of the issues raised here, that it all boils down to the surfer is much more net savvy nowadays. We knew this was coming. Statistically it had to happen.

There will need to be much more thought put into creativity and value. Don't get this confused with deceptive marketing. Simply stated, we're going to have to provide the surfers with shock facter, 'OMG! I have to join this site'-factor.

How do we do this?

Discuss.