unfortunatelly...yes.

Sweeds ruled them, Russians rulled them, German ruled them....but..
Polish women are the best!
;-)))

so any country that has ever lost a war is cowardly and weak now?

we're going to ignore the thousands of years that France, Spain, Portugal, Russia etc were world powers because Russia got her ass whipped in Afghanistan and France lost to Germany?

You're smarter than that.

Poland hasn't lost the war...
Poland lost ALL wars on her territory....

...but...I am a MORON,
I'll wait for PD's explanation
;-))))

BTW, my wife is not home and not watching over my shoulder now, so...

would you agree the Polish women are the best???
;-))))

I like tall blonde American girls, they give me palpitations. I can't help it.

It must be tough for them to border France without it rubbing off on them. :D

without France, there wouldn't BE a United States.

not true.
France supported Scotland in their war with England and...there is no Scotland.

Give your ancestors some credit, man!

can you add: "of Polish Decent" at least????
;-)))

not true.
France supported Scotland in their war with England and...there is no Scotland.

Give your ancestors some credit, man![/b][/quote]
Scotland losing doesn't mean they didn't help us lol... We'd never have beaten England without them. Well we would have, but it would have taken a few more generations.

Are you thinking of Ireland? Didn't Scotland beat back the British centuries ago and keep their independence?

Polish, Scandinavian, I don't care, so long as they're tall blond and tanned with long legs and long hair :inlove:

I think al hates the USA occupying a country there
still NO TIE with HUssein and Bin Laden
sorry try again righy

Scotland losing doesn't mean they didn't help us lol... We'd never have beaten England without them. Well we would have, but it would have taken a few more generations.

Are you thinking of Ireland? Didn't Scotland beat back the British centuries ago and keep their independence?

Polish, Scandinavian, I don't care, so long as they're tall blond and tanned with long legs and long hair :inlove:[/b][/quote]
no, I am NOT mixing Ireland and Scotland (I travel, remember ?;-)

French supported Maria Stuart, Brits conquered Scotland nevertheless, Scots STILL to this day do not trust Brits and for a good reason,
what they have done in Scotland is dispeakable.

If you are truly interested in the Scottish History,
I'll be more than glad to oblige with exact names and dates
;-)))

Meni, J' had a psychatrist appointment and had to leave.

The Poles have the misfortune of being the mom and pop general store located in between K-Mart and Wal-Mart - it's all in the numbers.

I dunno about that "cowards" bit - they sent horse mounted calvalry against the German tank corps. The logical question that brings up is "Where is the line between valiant bravery and absolute stupidity?", but that's for another time.

Buff's initial assumption - that Hitler rolled through Europe because Europeans are pussies - is almost as superficial as his assumption about the Spanish elections. That the French were overly cautious cannot be disputed - the failure to destroy Hitler when Germany reoccupied the Rhineland because they could not get British backing was a grave mistake. That the tactical decisions made by the French High Command (hiding behind the wall, as opposed to reading the works of one French Col. DeGaulle's treatise on tank warfare that the Germans certainly paid attention to) was absolute folly cannot be questioned, either.

However (and in no particular order) - the inability of Great Britian to meet their military obligations (thus causing Munich), the relative population differences between France and Germany, the devastating effects of having fought the bulk of the western front fighting in WWI on French soil, the traitorous effect that Nazi sympathizers and other right-wingers had on the goverment and the French public, and above all, the absolute unwillingness of the French and British to negotiate in good failth with the USSR, all played as much of a role in the fate of Europe in 1940 as any inherent "pussy" qualities that the Eurpoeans may possess.

I'll take your word for it, Scottish history isn't my strongest subject and I'm too lazy to google a summary right now ;)

That works with enemies and threats who share the same logical paradigm. People willing to sacrifice their life in the hopes of gifts in the afterlife don't have a common basis for engagement with western logic; namely self-preservation. The western perspective, no matter how many liberals want to espouse understanding of our enemies, is totally foreign to Islamic terrorists and they have no desire to understand the western world view, because it's "evil". It’s absolutely amazing, people will argue about the oppression of homosexuals not being afforded the opportunity marry yet hope to understand people who stone women to death for infidelity.

The US and USSR were at each other's throats for decades, but no one pulled the trigger and no one sent a suicide bomber because self-preservation ruled. There is no vehicle for diplomacy when there is no basis for rational debate and when world views are so diametrically opposed, no basis exists. Understand the root causes all you want. It won’t change the fact that academic debate with individuals who seek to destroy you and consider it a holy thing to die in the process, will never provide any meaningful results.

Is it fair to criticise a countries reluctance for fighting WWII when they had just finished picking up the pieces from WWI? Is it fair as someone who had not been there and experienced the devistation of WWI to criticise the actions of those who were?

Believe it or not, every single muslim isn't standing in line to kill himself for the cause, and there have been PLENTY of Christians willing to kill themselves in the line of duty.

They're a dirt culture, they're shit, I hate them. So what? That doesn't change a fucking thing. You still have to get to the root cause of what's causing the problem and deal with it. I don't like the fucking Turks either but they're our pals, aren't they?

and besides Aeon, I remember Labret FUCKING YOU UP in thread after thread and you never learned anything or changed your position no matter how bad it was shredded, which means any conversation with you is a total waste of keystrokes.

incorrect, Aeon expressed himself quite eloquently and right to the point.

I said Islamic terrorists, not every muslim in the whole world.

And who - what...fucking me up how, for bringing out the big guns and not dumbing individuals like you along? I need to work on my sadism skills. No one's perfect but punching bags exist for a reason.

There's a certain sense of irony when you use a phrase such as 'dumbing individuals like (me) along'. First, your sentence makes no fucking sense as a reply to what I said, which isn't unexpected. Second, you were beaten logically, comprehensively and thoroughly on every point you tried to make (over and over and over again) but you didn't have the mental agility to acknowledge a lost point and make a new one. You continue to try to breathe life into a dead horse, which makes you uninteresting as an opponent.

And Serge doesn't like you or think you had a good point, he's just trying to keep the post count up.

Only if you are a "rite-thinken-'merickin."

Dig,
I made more posts today at PC than here...
I don't give a fuck about post counts, despite the popular believes,
we are selling Oprano to Meat and Aga next week,
why do you think I go to meet them?


as fro Aeon,
once again, he beat your arguments VERY impressive,
and now you don't know how to retort and thsi explains your post

Serge is irrelevant to this - he expressed his opinion. I responded to you. Demonstrate how my sentences make no sense and how they were logically defeated on every point please?

Your response that Labret shredded me, this is actually interesting - possibly I missed something but I don't think I've ever pissed or even actually debated him...help a board pisser out here?

dig: Labret FUCKED YOU UP

aeon: fucking me up how, for bringing out the big guns and not dumbing individuals like you along
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this makes sense in Russian? It doesn't in English.

That works with enemies and threats who share the same logical paradigm. People willing to sacrifice their life in the hopes of gifts in the afterlife don't have a common basis for engagement with western logic; namely self-preservation. The western perspective, no matter how many liberals want to espouse understanding of our enemies, is totally foreign to Islamic terrorists and they have no desire to understand the western world view, because it's "evil". It’s absolutely amazing, people will argue about the oppression of homosexuals not being afforded the opportunity marry yet hope to understand people who stone women to death for infidelity.

The US and USSR were at each other's throats for decades, but no one pulled the trigger and no one sent a suicide bomber because self-preservation ruled. There is no vehicle for diplomacy when there is no basis for rational debate and when world views are so diametrically opposed, no basis exists. Understand the root causes all you want. It won’t change the fact that academic debate with individuals who seek to destroy you and consider it a holy thing to die in the process, will never provide any meaningful results.[/b][/quote]
hahaha.

it could not be said better than this.

Dig is arguing that "statemenship", "diplomacy" and "exploration of root causes" will be the best way to deter serial killers and mass murderers?

:blink:

hahaha.

it could not be said better than this.

Dig is arguing that "statemenship", "diplomacy" and "exploration of root causes" will be the best way to deter serial killers and mass murderers?[/b][/quote]
and you really believe that the Middle East is made up of serial killers and mass murderers exclusively?

no. we are not talking about the average joe. we are talking about people who kill innocent people in the name of religion.

so how is this addressing my point that you can't just go in and kill everybody like Conan and expect this problem to be solved?

if you're saying that people like this can't be reasoned with, you're probably right. You have to find out what's going on in that country/culture that is incubating people like this, and fix whatever is causing that.

or are you advocating nuking the country breeding the terrorists?




Last edited by dig420 at Mar 18 2004, 03:16 PM

damn...it must suck to be the left wing version of buff...put the fucking bong down - you're living proof of why pot is illegal.

suck a dick

come back when you have a point to make besides me smoking too much weed.

OK scooter - you're a fucking idiot and walking proof that certain people shouldn't breed. Blame your parents, you're their mistake.

Is that better?

I'll just have to refer back to my original opinion of you, which hasn't been changed with this thread. You're a waste of keystrokes, you have nothing to offer, and I've already spent too much time with you. If you have nothing but insults in your arsenal you need to take it to GFY.

go get em' einstein...you put me in my place for sure!

no one is saying "kill everybody". if a country that is "breeding terrorists" like Afghanistan was, then i advocate doing exactly what was done. After 4-5 years of failed attempts to engage the government and curb their behavior... remove them and at the same time send a stern warning to others with similar aspirations.

right now, today, it's extremely difficult to be a terrorist. it's difficult to move around, difficult to communicate, difficult to train, difficult to find safe harbor, difficult to finance and move money around. it is becoming more difficult with each passing day.... more so than at any point in history.

i believe that terrorism will go away when intense pressure remains on all these facets of terrorism while at the same time, it becomes increasingly clear that the costs of terrorism or associating with terrorists are greater than the rewards.

at least you're able to recognize and acknowledge that now. You're making progress!

no one is saying "kill everybody". if a country that is "breeding terrorists" like Afghanistan was, then i advocate doing exactly what was done. After 4-5 years of failed attempts to engage the government and curb their behavior... remove them and at the same time send a stern warning to others with similar aspirations.

right now, today, it's extremely difficult to be a terrorist. it's difficult to move around, difficult to communicate, difficult to train, difficult to find safe harbor, difficult to finance and move money around. it is becoming more difficult with each passing day.... more so than at any point in history.

i believe that terrorism will go away when intense pressure remains on all these facets of terrorism while at the same time, it becomes increasingly clear that the costs of terrorism or associating with terrorists are greater than the rewards.[/b][/quote]
there's nothing in your post that disagrees with what I'm saying, except that I would add that if the country breeding the terrorists has a legit gripe it needs to be addressed. Otherwise you'll be dealing with generation after generation of terrorists. It doesn't take a lot of financing or training to bring a stick of TNT into a restaurant or sneak a pair of boxcutters onto a plane and it's hard to exert intense pressure on this type of very loosely organized, multinational movement. Squeeze Afghanistan, they'll move to Pakistan. Squeeze Pakistan and they'll move to Syria.

There are no simple solutions to this situation.




Last edited by dig420 at Mar 18 2004, 03:40 PM

Agreed on no simple solutions


But who's to say what is a legit gripe and if you do respond to terrorist acts because of a legit grip .....

..... what stops those who don't have legit grips from performing terrorist acts to gain attention


Sort of like some of what goes on now