Well why don't you just pull the whole fucking curtain back :unsure: :agrin:


Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain
I am the Great and Powerful Oz :gbounce: :redance:

LOL

I was just saying everyone shaves.

If you don't think you are being shaved , the person receiving your traffic has just turned up the shave. :)

I would. :)

You want me to start listing the REALLY sneaky ways to shave? ;-))))

ahahahahahahahahaha

and you get how many joins a day?

The high low is 2 / 4 ;-)))))[/b][/quote]
Well, it's not in triple digits (just double). We hope to fix that though once we get our butts moved over to Epoch.
Hell we're not even pushing for affiliates until we get over there, so we don't have to go through a bunch of people working with link code changes, etc.

And currently the affiliates we do have *do* get paid for alternate payments, like phone signups or checks.
We don't redirect any traffic
We don't do a Serge and switch stats off :)

Well, it's not in triple digits (just double). We hope to fix that though once we get our butts moved over to Epoch.
Hell we're not even pushing for affiliates until we get over there, so we don't have to go through a bunch of people working with link code changes, etc.

And currently the affiliates we do have *do* get paid for alternate payments, like phone signups or checks.
We don't redirect any traffic
We don't do a Serge and switch stats off :)[/b][/quote]
Bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!


;-)))))

1) what Serge did or didn't do,
wasn't made public for 18 months after my retirement,
something the current program operators only wish
;-)))))

2) my modus operandi made money for all involved,
your modus operandi doesn't even make enough for you.....

3) you'll NEVER be Serge....live with it
;-))))))

Bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!


;-)))))[/b][/quote]
I am serious as a heart attack.
Hell Nick I don't even know *how* to switch stats off for a certain time period, LOL (we're not using custom software at the moment) and we're getting valid signups from foreign traffic so there's no need to redirect.

Caveat: At this time there's no need to redirect *grin* We'll see how Epoch does processing foreign cards.

1) what Serge did or didn't do,
wasn't made public for 18 months after my retirement,
something the current program operators only wish
;-)))))

2) my modus operandi made money for all involved,
your modus operandi doesn't even make enough for you.....

3) you'll NEVER be Serge....live with it
;-))))))[/b][/quote]
Now Serge, why would I *want* to be a hairy guy with a butt fetish? :P

1) what Serge did or didn't do,
wasn't made public for 18 months after my retirement,
something the current program operators only wish
;-)))))

2) my modus operandi made money for all involved,
your modus operandi doesn't even make enough for you.....

3) you'll NEVER be Serge....live with it
;-))))))[/b][/quote]
:okthumb:

I was always delighted to do business with serge.

Should he ever require traffic in the future I'd send traffic without reservation.

Usual fedexes appreciated.


notice no smileys[/size]

1.What about tracking joins from back up processing ?
We pay on that.

2. What about tracking joins from cheque processing?
We pay on that.
3. What about the programs that have instashave built in?
Hell no.
4.What about ssi that redirect certain traffic ?
We redirect to dialers, and pay 80% on that too
5. What about switiching of the stats for certain minujtes per hour or certain hours per day ?
Hell no.

Now Serge, why would I *want* to be a hairy guy with a butt fetish? :P[/b][/quote]
for a sole reason,
so Cherry won't call you a stupid cunt
;-)))))

she never does it to me.....
;-))))

I am serious as a heart attack.
Hell Nick I don't even know *how* to switch stats off for a certain time period, LOL (we're not using custom software at the moment) and we're getting valid signups from foreign traffic so there's no need to redirect.

Caveat: At this time there's no need to redirect *grin* We'll see how Epoch does processing foreign cards.[/b][/quote]
jeeeezzzzzzzus!!!!! LOL

Sorry carrie , you are a nice woman.But you don't have a clue on this LOL

But you do always have an opinion ;-)))))

1.) I'll bet you don't see 100 joins per mth paid
2.) You don't redirect foriegn traffic.Let me give you an old hint.
How many webmasters check there linking codes from....say....aol.
3.) An ssi striping all webtv hits to a webtv designed site works well ;-)))

Any "hitter" expects to be shaved. (For he is not naive)

:okthumb:

I was always delighted to do business with serge.

Should he ever require traffic in the future I'd send traffic without reservation.

Usual fedexes appreciated.


notice no smileys[/size][/b][/quote]
thank you, Nick,
and I KNOW that if I ever needed traffic,
I'd get 500,000 hits a day with no much hassles
;-))))

too bad there are no places to send it to anymore
;-((((

Tell me about it :(

500k water hits can be grabbed easy.

Now adays its the 10k - 100k "meat" hits that are hard to come by

And in all seriousness most mailers prefer hitting nonadult these days.
(Paris Hilton excepted ;-))) )

for a sole reason,
so Cherry won't call you a stupid cunt
;-)))))

she never does it to me.....
;-))))[/b][/quote]
*giggling my ass off*
You've got me on that one!

Anyway......

There is only one thing that matters when you send traffic .....

the CHEQUE!!!! ;-)))

The truth as I know it
Serious as a hard-on, no bull, no ass kissiing

In 1998, 1999 and 2000 I was responsible for publishing/writing two adult email publications (both opt in- really opt in no harvested email addy lists) one was daily with a circulation of 450,000 the other was 3 times weekly with a circulation of 150,000

The 450K publication had up 10-20 ads per day so I needed a lot of sponsors (and a lot of sites to rotate) so I tried many affiliate programs

The best paying sponsor was Intergal and all the sites in the Intergal family
Xpics paid well also - yeah I said it
Brad Shaw was just starting out about that '97-'98 and Teen Goddess did well also
Serge's Cash sites paid well also, better than about 75%-65% of the other programs I was using
The checks were always on time, always for the amount they were supposed to be, never had a question or problem with Serge's Cash or getting paid

and those are the facts
I was there and did the work
and I remember

Well, it's not in triple digits (just double). We hope to fix that though once we get our butts moved over to Epoch.
Hell we're not even pushing for affiliates until we get over there, so we don't have to go through a bunch of people working with link code changes, etc.

And currently the affiliates we do have *do* get paid for alternate payments, like phone signups or checks.
We don't redirect any traffic
We don't do a Serge and switch stats off :)[/b][/quote]
Double Digits is pretty generic.

10 to 99.

CHEQUE??????


Nick,
take WIRE!
;-)))))

I told ya I was honest. :) (To a fault? LOL)

How long do I have to work up to that 100 joins per month?

And quit tempting me, dammit!! I wouldn't want to subconciously code in AOL shaving when I'm writing up the affiliate stuff... (or would I? hehe)

Guess I need to join the Nick's Secret Shaving 101 program :awinky:

and Vick, guess what?
we ALL shaved one way or another....the art of shaving is:
1) NEVER to get caught while you are doing it,
and none of us was

2) shave just a tad LESS than the other guy,
and you always come up smelling like a rose
;-))

KNOWING what you CAN get away with was ALWAYS a key...
something the clueless noobs of today have no idea about...

Cheque , wire , gold bars , its all good :-))))

I told ya I was honest. :) (To a fault? LOL)

How long do I have to work up to that 100 joins per month?

And quit tempting me, dammit!! I wouldn't want to subconciously code in AOL shaving when I'm writing up the affiliate stuff... (or would I? hehe)

Guess I need to join the Nick's Secret Shaving 101 program :awinky:[/b][/quote]
Carrie,
this isn't called "honesty" in the business we've chosen...it's called
LACK OF CREATIVITY....
have you ever thought of getting a new career as a nurse?

your honesty would be plausable and creativity is NOT required in that profession........

Btw CCBill is now saying that all of the drama last night was just a "glitch", despite people proving that they've had surfers stay for multiple months but only got paid one month for it.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.p...threadid=218045

That whole situation is getting really smelly. Lots of money changing hands and deals being made today, no doubt.

So I was right then?


hehehehehehehehehehe

do you beleive them?

I bet it's a nothing but "damage control"....

do you beleive them?

I bet it's a nothing but "damage control"....[/b][/quote]
of course....blind panic covering a fuck up.

and Vick, guess what?
we ALL shaved one way or another....the art of shaving is:
1) NEVER to get caught while you are doing it,
and none of us was

2) shave just a tad LESS than the other guy,
and you always come up smelling like a rose
;-))

KNOWING what you CAN get away with was ALWAYS a key...
something the clueless noobs of today have no idea about...[/b][/quote]
and you know I didn't care about the shave, only idiots didn't think they were being shaved
What mattered was where the biggest/best payment was coming from

Xpics shaved the most and still paid more than just about everyone else
and offered pre-paid wires

and the worse shave I saw.... which lead to poor/low pay and never using the program unless I was stuck for something

Can anyone guess?

He's not active in the business as far as I know but still might be somewhere

If you don't want to name names there was something on the checks or in the company name that stood out if I remember correctly or was at least different than most other companies

of course....blind panic covering a fuck up.[/b][/quote]
and fuck up was:
they NEVER intended to make it feature PUBLIC....

BTW, knowing CCBill's history,
I CAN say:
they ARE creative
;-)))))

Carrie, learn from the best....and most of all,
learn to avoid FUCK UPs

;-)))))

Carrie,
this isn't called "honesty" in the business we've chosen...it's called
LACK OF CREATIVITY....
have you ever thought of getting a new career as a nurse?

your honesty would be plausable and creativity is NOT required in that profession........[/b][/quote]
I change enough shitty diapers during the day. No nursing!

Serge I've never claimed to be more than I am. I don't come on saying I'm a player or lying about my 900 joins a day. Hell I don't even post pics of cheap ass Camaros that I don't own and talk about my "bling bling" and my nonexistant Mensa membership, lol.
I'm the token newbie, we're just starting out - I've got no problems admitting that.

Maybe I won't be the next Fantasyman with my morals standing in the way. Maybe I could be convinced to be a little creative with the billing. Who knows?

I'm not against changing my way of thinking, and one day I might. I just would like to give it a good try first. No harm in trying, eh?

LOL

Posting on YNOT back in the day that XPics was gonna prepay me a wedge of cash led to phonecalls from Dean and FM and eventually made me millions LOL :-))))

Gosh just a yr or 2 ago you would see posts all the time from people wanting to pre pay for 50-100, 1000 joins or whatever.

I don't see those much anymore

That reminds me...

Nick, did you send out that FedEx for the Gadzillion bucks (U.S. of course, none of that Loonie shit) in prepays that you were gonna send to me yet ???




(goes and waits by the phone for people to call me and make me rich)





:yowsa:

Not really related to CCBill topic, however I saw the PPS vs Recurring posts, so I wanted to jump in with my 2 cents about it.

Recurring is probably more strong in nature, since the payout cashflow is controlled. PPS is more complex because they are paying for much more than just the single transactions - and this is why I think the PPS game will have to change or continue the downspiral... if you only have PPS and try to add all kind of extra revenue (consoles, redirects, e-mails, xsales, upsell, shaving etc.) into the PPS payout, then it will only get hard and hard to do the high payout, because:

1. Technology is working against consoles, installs and spams
2. Bankers will keep making risky transactions more risky
3. Less webmasters will control more traffic, and they will get smarter - both filtering traffic away, and spotting shaving will be easy for them.
4. Surfers get smarter, still surfering with their dick in their hand, but also knowing about low trial/high recurring price, and how too cancel. Plus they will have access to much more free content than today, so why stay a member?
5. Possible tax issue down the road...

If PPS and processors continue with the old model, then in 2 years time we will probably hear webmasters who are saying something like this:

"You know back in 2004, then I was converting 1/1500 and got $35 per signup - sure alot of them shaved, but I made Bling Bling!! However today in 2006 I´m converting 1/5000 and I´m paid $35 per signup, and now everyone is shaving like mad, and I will probably need to work at McD... damn I wish it was 2004 again"

Not saying that recurring is better, than PPS - recurring will have the same problems, however they will not have to payout $35 per $1-5 trial.

The sky is not falling - yes you can still wake up each morning and milk the PPS cow, however in time that cashcow will produce less and less milk - no matter how hard you try to squeeze the teats... evolution :o

Todd,

They are just not too vocal about it. We are business as usual. :D

That reminds me...

Nick, did you send out that FedEx for the Gadzillion bucks (U.S. of course, none of that Loonie shit) in prepays that you were gonna send to me yet ???




(goes and waits by the phone for people to call me and make me rich)





:yowsa:[/b][/quote]
Yeah I did.

Check your servers.

You'll see a million hits a day....








again :)

every business model has to adapt with time - that's obvious...but it's absolute absurdity to hear sponsors scream "revshare is where the money is" when you look at their exit consoles...

it's a bunch of PT Barnum wannabe's living out "do what I say, not what I do" and most webmasters are cognitively vacant enough to buy it.

get your money - get it in hand so you can use it to make more money...and leave the "big boys" to deal with the FTC - visa - bankruptcy in the future...they aint gonna go broke for any affiliates...any affiliate with half a brain that actually works will afford them nothing more than that same level of respect.

I've always hated paysite revshare programs. It's just asking to be fucked in so many ways.

best of luck -
aeon

Hey its me Boldy from KimHollandCash.com I just posted the proof on GFY. We dont shave. Its a fucking bug in the CCBILL software Here the screenshot http://www.kimholland.com/ccbillfuckers.jpg

Thanks,

feel free to contact me anytime 13605110

B.



Last edited by boldy at Jan 7 2004, 03:09 PM

Hey Boldy !

nice to see you here ! I already wondered why Kim's program was on the list. I know she is a greast lady & couldn't see her shaving (exept for her or her GF's pussy :agrin: )

for the USA people here: Kim holland is a Dutch pornstar ehhh not only that she owns a very hot club in Holland & is a great personality !

and she is Dutch !!!!!!!!!!!! yeahhhhhh

We should meet up soon again Boldy & hopefully CCBILL wil contact you soon !

Hugs, Claudia

ok, I beleive you that you don't shave on GFY...
but can you prove you don't shave everywhere else?????

Jesus Maria
;-))))

those in the know are already changing their pps methods and as usually seems to be the case the counter intuitive decision is going to be the one that results in better conversions, higher/maintained payouts and less risk.

i'll give you a few hints on what will happen

1 - no more recurring
2 - charging the surfer MORE

when the narrow minded people are no longer running paysites the professionals will begin making MORE money than they have in the past few years.

jmho