You are of course right. What kind of fucking losers would go out and actually express how they feel. That kinda shit doesn't happen in civilized places - like, maybe, North Korea.

And you're right about hating a country for the actions of its leaders, too - they should have taken appropriate action. You know, had their legistative body spend time on IMPORTANT things ... like, maybe, change the names of foods served in the cafeteria.[/b][/quote]
You took what I said totally out of context.
But not surprised. :)

I didn't mean you cannot express yourself, or
give your opinion.
Just seems childish I guess to me to protest.

Whatever, burn our flags, hate us, I really
don't give a damn.

I think the flag burning pisses me off more than anything.

FATPad,

I agree, but I think there are more than one way of action that can claim that philosophy.

I mean, the way I look at it some ppl are just more martyr prone.... they pick fights they know they are going to lose and even seem to relish in the pain of it.

It may be a noble act, but it is not the most logical. This is the part that puzzles me the most.

On the contrary, an individual could concentrate on things that he can have an impact on and likely effect change in his community/family/finances, etc. There are plenty of things a person can do that are noble, as well as rewarding.

Look, I think that a sizeable number of people who are out there demonstrating these days are doing it for the same reason they are buying my old clothes off the 2nd-hand rack - it's the retro-hip thing to do.

I find the whole "toppling the statue" thing absurd. Anyone who regrets the fact that Saddam is gone is as absolutely braindead as those who continue to look for Communist conspiracies in the dustbunnies under their beds. The flag thing bugs me too - but not as much as it would if it were being done in the U.S.

So, overall I agree with the idea that their behaviour is boorish. Is it more boorish than thinking that sticking a flag on your truck is patriotism, or sticking "support our troops" above "buy our shit" on every freakin' business sign? I guess that's a judgement call.

PD, I guess Oprano is unpatriotic...
we take Euros, Brittish Pounds, gold bars, yens...
;-)))

Which is precisely what has happened.

To paraphrase a poster in another thread on this board..

"I disagree with what the President is doing , but I stand behind him"

No!! That is not democracy!!!!

IMHO Bush jumped the gun.There were no weapons of mass destruction , and the UN if allowed to carry on would have confirmed this , thus removing his need to invade.I think he knew this.Hence why he acted , whilst he could still claim it as a reason.I am sure there is more to this than as yet is apparent.One day it will come out.

He acted in haste , and I believe history will allow him to repent at his leisure.

Regarding the protests , I think , there are protesters.....then there are just nutters. The flag burners are nutters.Most of the protesters agree.The flag burners are "professional protesters" ,next week they'll be protesting against something else.....rebels without a clue.

After watching the protestors in Miami at the FTAA meeting, you got to wonder where all these hippies come from. It looked like something out of the 60's and I think these people don't know shit about the FTAA Trade Agreement and just want to go out and protest for the fuck of protesting.

The funny thing is they were bitching about the police shooting them with rubber bullets, after they pelted cops with rocks using sling shots, and then threw buckets of paint at the cop's visors to blind them.

They're lucky all they got was rubber bullets.



Last edited by KRL at Nov 21 2003, 03:57 PM

Bottom of the page.
http://www.stopwar.org.uk/about.asp

Also check any of the multitude of articles (European, I might add) about the demonstration and who was speaking for the STWC.

Then to finish it off, if you want rhetoric, just check the front page of the STWC site.

It was probably a POD group - protestors on demand. A big group of folks who will show up and protest whatever you want them to - for a fee.
That way you can stand up there with the megaphone starting the chants and doing interviews with local reporters, and your "masses" can cause all kinds of attention for you.

Unfortunately "being a moron" is a world wide epidemic/trend/entertainment...

I look forward to when people have to make sense to get their opinion out - might get people to start THINKING instead of drooling infront of the TV.

Bottom of the page.
http://www.stopwar.org.uk/about.asp

Also check any of the multitude of articles (European, I might add) about the demonstration and who was speaking for the STWC.

Then to finish it off, if you want rhetoric, just check the front page of the STWC site.[/b][/quote]
Carrie, I am aware of the fact that there are commies and other evillllllllll-doers still running loose. I don't need to check a link to know that they will be opposed to the war (or use opposition to the war as a vehicle to further whatever wacked-out program they are advocating). The same goes for Islamic militants, unrepentent Bathists, and outright anarchists who love chaos for the sake of chaos.

So what? Simply because Joe Schmoe may happen to agree with the commie evillllllllll-doers on an issue doesn't make Joe Schmoe a communist, any more than Patty Semipatriot agreeing WITH the war doesn't make her a part of the organiztions who are using the war to further objectives with anti-Islamic religious or anti-Arab ethnic origin.

Frankly, the communists don't scare me at all any more. I know they are out there, but they are so irrelveant as to be almost as laughable as those who still fear them. I'm far more worried about folks like the Kracker alKKada, the Nazis & Skinheads, and your garden-variety militia fukwad.

I'll join Vick on the song lyric front ;-)

From Slayer's little war ditty "War Ensemble":


The sport is war, total war
When victory's a massacre
The final swing is not a drill
It's how many people I can kill

Carrie, I am aware of the fact that there are commies and other evillllllllll-doers still running loose. I don't need to check a link to know that they will be opposed to the war (or use opposition to the war as a vehicle to further whatever wacked-out program they are advocating). The same goes for Islamic militants, unrepentent Bathists, and outright anarchists who love chaos for the sake of chaos.

So what? Simply because Joe Schmoe may happen to agree with the commie evillllllllll-doers on an issue doesn't make Joe Schmoe a communist, any more than Patty Semipatriot agreeing WITH the war doesn't make her a part of the organiztions who are using the war to further objectives with anti-Islamic religious or anti-Arab ethnic origin.

Frankly, the communists don't scare me at all any more. I know they are out there, but they are so irrelveant as to be almost as laughable as those who still fear them. I'm far more worried about folks like the Kracker alKKada, the Nazis & Skinheads, and your garden-variety militia fukwad.[/b][/quote]
PD, you made the statement that what I said was "in fact false, or at least grossly distorted"... so I was just showing you proof. That's all.

No, I said that when certain people start talking about Communists it makes me suspect they may be barking at the moon, because they are inclinded to attribute "Communism" to just about anyone who thinks differently than they do.

Umm... okay.

<!--QuoteBegin--PornoDoggy@Nov 21 2003, 12:44 PM
Carrie may in fact be right - the leaders of some of the organizations that started these demonstrations could very well be Communists, Islamic fundamentalists, and other sorts of "evilllllllll-doer" type folks. Of course, the mere fact that certain people make the allegation causes me to suspect that it is in fact false, or at best grossly distorted all out of proportion to the reality of the situation.[/quote]

Looks to me like you were saying the statement that the leaders of these organizations were communists was false or grossly distorted.

Whichever... if that's what you meant, I gave you the URL to see for yourself. If not, ne'er mind.

As Pat Buchanan so eloquently stated today, "its nothing more than a bunch of reds, greens, trots, and eurotrash".

Labret I heard an interesting nickname yesterday for communist activists who pose as environmental activists to get their agendas done: watermelons.
Green on the outside, red on the inside. :okthumb:

ahaha that is perfect.

I was just checking these guys out. http://www.nazi.org/ National Socialist Green Party. Save the trees, kill the jews.

okay, okay I believe you :D

but to prove it tell a joke that doesn't include

a Priest, a Rabbi, a hooker, a member of the opposite sex, a member of the same sex, an ethnic minority or majority or any armed forces
:P[/b][/quote]
2 fishies are swimming happily down a stream
they run head first into a concrete wall
one fishies turns to he other fishie and says
"Dam!"
Pah Doom Pah!

three guys are running down the street
first 2 run into a bar
third one ducks!
Pah Doom Pah!

Mushroom walks into a bar
Bartender yells "Get out of here! We don't serve your kind!"
Mushroom says "Why not? Imma a fungi!"
Pah Doom Pah!!!

I think I just prove we Marines and Former Marines are funny as hell
smell, looks, and SENCE OF FUCKING HUMOR ya civvy :nyanya:

spaz

okay, okay I believe you :D

but to prove it tell a joke that doesn't include

a Priest, a Rabbi, a hooker, a member of the opposite sex, a member of the same sex, an ethnic minority or majority or any armed forces
:P[/quote]
Impress me and tell a joke that includes ALL of the above... :nyanya:

I thought that was the whole point of living in a place like the US, UK or Canada. You can express yourself all you want about what the govt does.

Will it change anything, maybe, maybe not. Might even be very likely that it doesn't change anything.

That doesn't mean that expressing yourself is a waste of time or something that shouldn't be done.[/b][/quote]
Which was the basis for this post.

Let the Walmart shopping Patriots do as they wish.

We will do what we must.

http://www.fletchxxx.com/images/rebel.gif



Last edited by Fletch XXX at Nov 22 2003, 09:53 AM

ahaha that is perfect.

I was just checking these guys out. http://www.nazi.org/ National Socialist Green Party. Save the trees, kill the jews.[/b][/quote]
Sometimes I come to Oprano and feel like I've interrupted a meeting of the White Trash People's Party :blink: