Am I missing where these mainstream movies everyone's referring to were hardcore porn movies that had 100% sex and violence - and basically nothing else? :unsure:

In the mainstream movies, we had movies like "Lolita" about a 12 year old seducing an older man. I agree it's a slippery slope, but when we start prosecting on thoughts (intent) we start down that obligatory slippery slope.

Actually, bestiality is depicted in a lot of european films ;)

I realize it's hard to draw a line, but the line does indeed change over time. Look at what larry Flynt crossed the line with? Now, it's considered pretty tame. Then it was quite shocking.

What happens though if we start going backwards and suddenly a woman in a two piece bikini is considered shocking and obscene?
Yup, agree to disagree, but I think we'll agree you'll have a lot of fun with the jager tap we're looking to provide in Vancouver (and no pissing this time...not in public anyways...)

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Id better put up those pics I took ofthe 20 year old seducing me...and the shoehorn and bottle of lube....

Actually to many people YOUR sites go WAY too far already and plenty of people think you should be jailed for the sites that YOU run.

Emotions and personal preferences should be left out of any discussion regarding the legality of porn. In case of simulated snuff or rape I say look at Hollywood, if mainstream movies can do it then pornographers should be able to do so too. You might say it's distasteful to combine it with sex, some people might say that your sites are distasteful and should be illegal too. Want to ask for a review on one of those Christian web boards?

Who gets to decide what goes and what doesn't?

Having said that, if you know something is illegal and you do it anyway then you deserve getting busted for it.[/b][/quote]
Somebody needs to pass me the bottle of Goose.
Mike's sites go too far and he should be jailed?

Which sites are these? Im jealous!

Based on prior history in law enforcement...specifically a the VICE arena I think you HIGHLY underestimate the appeal of these sites/videos.

You wouldnt believe the type of person and/or the abundance of those that would pay to see it. Either excitement or shock value ---the reason doesnt matter.

I can tell you why hes worried about it.
Its these fuckers that have the potential to ruin it for us all.

Its not enough that working in adult entertainment gets you painted by the media as a child molester. Then along comes people like this that add in the degradiation of women to the debate.

Personally Im sick of companies like Xpix that rip people off under the guise of and adult company and stupid fucks like TeeJay who go pick up a a 16 year old at the Greyhound bus station -- bang her and video tape her and then PUT IT UP ON THE FUCKING WEB.

"Oh my partner was supposed to have gotten her ID and 2257."

Bull fucking shit! Your dick got hard -- you fucked it and then you decided to make some money off of it.

You all know [and if you dont you will--soon enough] that Im all for pushing the envelope, but this is a business for some of us.

Fraud concerning credit card processing has already got the industry into this fucked up billing mess but NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOO lets see if we can fuck up things from the other angle by seeing just how far the 1st amendment will cover our ass.


Do us all a favor Teejays of the world. Just go buy a hooker and save yourself and the rest of us a lot of time and grief.

If your that hard up come to Atlanta and I will personally buy you the best $5 piece of ass I can find at the Clairmont Lounge.

we had some fun at the expense of the girls gone wild folks at the show

they are easy fodder

especially when sitting right next to the bar

:D :biglaugh:

I can tell you why hes worried about it.
Its these fuckers that have the potential to ruin it for us all.[/b][/quote]
I don't agree. The business itself has the potential to ruin it for us all, that's why it's such a lucrative return on investment if a person can follow a few simple steps.

To think that because one company pushes the envelope it is causing all of us potential harm is very naive. After all, we are talking about human psyche -- while one person may be offended by Extreme's content, someone else may be offended (and assuredly is) by Bangbus or another site they see as degrading to women. Someone else may be offended (and most assuredly is) by orgies, anal sex, you name it.

The reason this industry makes money is because everything that is done titillates, aggravates, or causes a reaction in someone else. That is the nature of this business.

Just like in real life tho, people bitch and piss about their police spending too much time writing traffic tickets and popping people for jaywalking and not enough time finding murderers and rapists -- think about it, if there were no murderers then soooo many more traffic tickets would get written that no one would ever think about speeding...

I find Extreme's content very distasteful and white trash, hell, it's not even well enough made for me to consider it disturbing or anything worse, but I have to say I hope they are acquitted on these charges, simply because it makes it easier for all of us if they are.

I don't agree. The business itself has the potential to ruin it for us all, that's why it's such a lucrative return on investment if a person can follow a few simple steps.

To think that because one company pushes the envelope it is causing all of us potential harm is very naive. After all, we are talking about human psyche -- while one person may be offended by Extreme's content, someone else may be offended (and assuredly is) by Bangbus or another site they see as degrading to women. Someone else may be offended (and most assuredly is) by orgies, anal sex, you name it.

The reason this industry makes money is because everything that is done titillates, aggravates, or causes a reaction in someone else. That is the nature of this business.

Just like in real life tho, people bitch and piss about their police spending too much time writing traffic tickets and popping people for jaywalking and not enough time finding murderers and rapists -- think about it, if there were no murderers then soooo many more traffic tickets would get written that no one would ever think about speeding...

I find Extreme's content very distasteful and white trash, hell, it's not even well enough made for me to consider it disturbing or anything worse, but I have to say I hope they are acquitted on these charges, simply because it makes it easier for all of us if they are.[/b][/quote]
Hey what do I know anyhow?

Im just another newbie...

Why don't you explain what is the difference between a movie like Final Destination, a movie with no story, no artistic value and no other purpose than to watch a series of gruesome deaths and a SIMULATED snuff movie.

And while you're at it also argue why one should be legal and the other should be illegal :-)

The difference between the two is in the Miller test.

“Whether the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest.
“Whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by the applicable state law.
“Whether the work, taken as whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.”

The key phrase above is "the work, TAKEN AS A WHOLE, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value"

Putting a 10 minute rape scene in the middle of a 2 hour motion picture is a big difference from producing a video that's nothing but simulated rape and snuff, when you "take the work as a whole" into consideration, odds are the motion picture will not be considered obscene whereas what Extreme produced would be considered obscene.

Why do you think Playboy, Hustler, and all the other major magazines spend money on sports and fashion articles that they know damn well nobody reads?
My guess is so that their "work as a whole" will have some value other than getting people off, so they can pass the Miller test if they end up in court.

Good post Lenny!

Good to see you on Oprano.

We need more peeps from Louisiana posting here!!

:D

sounds like somebody has good counsel lenny.

what the hell is a prurient interest anyways? everything i've read indicates that not even the finest legal minds really know what the hell a prurient interest is.

prurient is a word that really hasnt even been used for 100+ years.

Would any hardcore porn movie pass this test?

American movies too!!!
Ever seen Freddy got fingered?
The guy jacks off a horse in the flick complete with a fake firehose cumshot.

My first thought was "HOLY FUCKIN' SHIT" are they ever pushin' it in Hollywood.

Didn't Seymour Butts recently beat an obscenity prosecution in LA county for the fisting scenes?