i have seen you post this line about 20 times.

Do you think its some secret?

Do you think nobody knows that?

The problem is that at this very point in time, reducing the free content will reduce your sales most likely.[/b][/quote]
Can you please explain your last statement?

Is your rational that by having less content on your free sites you'll get less traffic - not qualify for link lists and TGPing?

If Johnnie jumped off the brooklyn bridge would you too ???

:yowsa:

wow

that's ....... really fucking cool

not for content companies but ... i guess there is a way around every rule!

/me starts building hosted galleries

The %age of cellphone users is sky-high, but SMS isn't here yet.
Someone stick a fork in the FCC and see if they're done looking down their noses at that, will ya?

Aw hell folks, it's everyone... no particular portion of the industry or type of webmaster to blame.
Everyone was greedy, they wanted the money, they wanted the power, they wanted the status... so "fuck the industry as a whole as long as I'm gettin' some and I'm gettin' it out there before my competitors" was the mob rule.

Too much free porn?

Tell the TGP owners and LL owners that we're supposed to be *selling to* the surfer, not *giving to* the surfer, and get them to allow us to actually advertise on our pages.

Tell the sponsor programs to stop giving out hardcore, insertion, cumshot content for free to its webmasters. When the sponsor *gives* it away, they devalue it and therefore the webmaster thinks it's okay to *give* away. If the webmasters had to *pay* for hardcore content to use in their sites and galleries, they'd be more apt to make sure it was going to pay off (like putting it behind an AVS or ASD or whatever the fuck it's called these days).

Tell the content providers to stop acting like fucking "follow the leader" idiots and doing the same thing to their section of the industry that TGPs did to this one. Why all the fire sales? Because everyone's giving the fucking content away!! I haven't had to buy content in months unless I was looking for something very specific, and the free shit that's being given away each week is top-quality, crystal clear, high-resolution stuff. Sets that you would've been paying at least $50 for a year ago - and they're giving away 4 and 5 of 'em at a damn time.

Tell the sponsors to quit giving pre-built galleries and free sites (jesus christ you don't even have to build anything anymore) to people who don't know what to do with it. Set a minimum traffic level for folks who want access to the pre-built stuff. That way you don't have Joe Schmoe signing up, taking 300 pre-built galleries and scattering them all over his free host, then leaving the business pissed off from no sales a month later and leaving those 4,500 free pics floating around out there. Give these tools to the people who know how to use them and who have the traffic to prove it.

And for god's sake, someone please tell the fat pipes to raise the bandwidth prices again so some of these cheating motherfuckers with the redirecting shit and spamming will find it too expensive to continue with their bullshit.

*kicks soapbox back to the middle of the circle*

:wnw:
you should stop by and grab the soapbox more often!


Although everything you said makes sense, nobody is going to be the first one to do any of those things ... which is why the last 12 months have been stagnant in the industry ... hardly anything major feels like its changed, and yet behind the scenes, we have had some of the biggest changes ever ...

I don't think we've seen the full effect of the cc processing issues yet, and THAT is what controls the value of a signup - which at the end of the day is the entire equation to the business model of our industry.

I wish we could fast forward to 2004 and grab some clues
:rolleyes:

I dunno, that thing we discussed, could change a small bit of the industry...for us anyways....LOL

I dunno, that thing we discussed, could change a small bit of the industry...for us anyways....LOL[/b][/quote]
yeah if i could ever finish the damn thing!!

it keeps growing bigger ;-(



lol
that's funny ... 'keeps growing bigger' with a sad face
doesn't seem to go together

me too.

carrie, very good post! :rokk:

yeah , indeed very nice post , and I'm 100% agree with OzKaNoz , the newbies is not a problem here , we just should face the fact what killing our industry , however we can`t change something now , too late.

Who actually said that newbies were killing the biz?! i don't remember anyone saying that ... newbies are too stupid to kill the biz, most of them are completely harmless!

:P

Who actually said that newbies were killing the biz?! i don't remember anyone saying that ... newbies are too stupid to kill the biz, most of them are completely harmless!

:P[/b][/quote]
I didn`t said newbies killing the biz :blink:
free porn is tha problem :stout:

Last edited by sarettah at Jun 30 2003, 09:38 AM

sarettah, i meant 'prior to this thread' ... ie, what was the purpose of the thread, who said it that made this thread defending newbies start

fuck, that didn't make sense either

:unsure:

lololol......

I don't know who ever saidit CJ, I actually have never really seen "newbies" blamed for the business ills of the adult net...

From day one I always heard the biggest problem was too much free porn out there... :)

But, Oz started the thread with the premise that someone was blaming the newbies, so lets jump his ass on that one....

Ozkanoz... Like CJ said... Who the fuck is blaming the newbies !!!!!

:yowsa:

Re: Don't blame the newbies! Your thoughts?
 

My my... the difference a few years can make.

Re: Don't blame the newbies! Your thoughts?
 

This is a 4 year old :-pearl:

Re: Don't blame the newbies! Your thoughts?
 

i have to agree with the original post

free post has killed thr golden goose

but i dont see any way to get rid of free porn with big tgps being worth as much as they are

Re: Don't blame the newbies! Your thoughts?
 

TGPs are yesterdays news.

Re: Don't blame the newbies! Your thoughts?
 

tgp's are devaluing in size and price every day

in the past week alone I have had 3 HUGE tgp guys come to me and talk about how they are needing to diversify because tgp sales and traffic keep spiraling down

these aren't your newbie submitters either, these are guys that spend upwards of $2k a week on spots

Re: Don't blame the newbies! Your thoughts?
 

This is so far the best thread i have ever read in any forums. And thumbs up to you guys for your out of the chorus and straight to the point statements.

Free content is definetely and obviously a problem. Unfortunately, few sponsors would have the courage to do something about it. I might be one of those cutting free content very soon, but this is another matter. Not here to talk about me.

But i would like to add my silly contribution to the discussion, if you don't mind. Given that the amount of free content around is a huge problem, i would not underestimate something that in my opinion is a bigger problem: free downloadable content.

Since we are all aware of the fact that it is practically impossible to go backwords to the times when free content was limited, i think that we could well do something about not making it downloadable. You can see a pic or a video at that website, but you cannot download it. If you want to download it, you pay a little fee for each piece you download, like you do on legit mp3 sites. This wouldn' t cut off the torrents, the cheaters and stuff of course, but if the big TGPs, the sponsors, the NATS and CCBills would start adopting this trend, i am sure that there would be much more money for everybody by the day. And it would be very very easy to implement, with no crazy investment for rethinking the system. Two lines of code on each web page with free content and a buy-it-now button on the big picture or video page for the pages where the content is and a new payment option for buying a 10 cents pic or a 20 cents promo video by the payment processors.

Maybe i just woke up hangover, but i think that this could be a good medication, althought not the cure for sure.

Re: Don't blame the newbies! Your thoughts?
 

Sabrina. If you have content on the web and they want to download it they will find a way to steal it. Spiders, scrapers etc. Ive heard many Russian surfers state if its on the web then its meant to be stolen.

The "tokens" or micro transaction idea has been tested several times over not done very well.

Re: Don't blame the newbies! Your thoughts?
 

There's a simple truth that has always applied going back as far as electronic commerce of any form has been around...and even applied to other things such as copy protection on CD's.

You CANT force anyone to buy anything. If someone is hell bent on not paying, they'll either steal it or do without. Never will you hear them say "oh, ok, you got me, your copy protection rules, here's my money!". Just doesn't happen...or if it does, it's a tiny percentage.

It seems everytime we have a new form of media we have to go thru this learning curve. Companies get their panties in a twist because someone is getting some for free. Then they slap copy protection and other things on it which does nothing but piss off the people who are actually paying money for it.

Spend your time giving your paying customers what they want instead of feuding with people who'll never pay you a dime. And never do anything to fight the thieves that is at the expense of costing you paying customers. It'll all work out in the end.

There's a balance you have to strike to not be robbed blind, but also not
hinder your paying customers.

Re: Don't blame the newbies! Your thoughts?
 

I obvuiously did not know about the tokens....i'm a newby at the end of the day eheheh. But about stealing i partially disagree with you. Yes, people will always steal. But inviting the robber to steal is worse, isn't it? You can lock free content from being downloaded and given the average skills of the average surfer, you are going to cut a lot of stealing and free circulation of the free material. The technology for blocking users from downloading free pictures and just let them watch the pics is there. I understand that it's hard to start doing something, but we can! And if we don't, threads like this one will be more and more frequent. I have nothing to teach to anybody and yes, once again i'm a newby in the sponsors world; but i'm not so stupid to not understand that something went wrong in the porn industry online. It's against any marketing rule to offer 100$ per signup on a 29$ signup that you don't know if it's gonna be rebilled. Cross selling...fair enough...and after that? It's like supermarkets saga...they screwed all the small shops, they have screwed the genuinity of the groceries. You get bigger, greener, shinier apples, but do they tast as good? Nope. The clients start feeling uncomfortable about supermarkets, but they have got so much power that it is hard to get rid of them in favour of small, local shops again. That might work (but i'm not sure for how longer) with food, because you need to eat, but about porn? Are we sure that if we don't start doing something for giving genuinity back to users and top protect ourself at the same time, they are not gonna leave us totally down, one day? I think that the big problem with the porn industry today is to pretend to do thing because that's what consumers want, while in any other mainstream industry it is the industry making the rules and convincing the consumer that the product is good. think of McDonald, just to make a stupid example. Consumers want free content because we gave it to them. And yes, if you give me a free can of coke, i don't need to go and buy it, do i? We should start auto*-regulating ourself, instead of tring to screw each other. But i'm just dreaming for sure.

Well, if you read all that you must be really pissed tonight ahahah.

Love and biz prosperity to everybody!

Re: Don't blame the newbies! Your thoughts?
 

Hell, forgive me, but you cannot compare a mainstream CD or DVD with online porn. I can find the complete content of Raven Riley's members area for free, today and her only revenue come exactly from that content. There must be something wrong when you have free access to the car park of a car dealer and the keys are inserted in the lock. I was reading of someone complaining about the raising monthly membership prices: wouldn't you raise the price of your cars if you bought and paid for 20 of them and 18 went stolen? Wouldn't you try to compensate your loss trying to sell the two cars left for a higher price? Don't you think that giving away less free content, we could lower the prices, having more customers and therefore making more money? We make the market, not the users. If we are unhappy, it's just our fault. If you don't like it, change it! My 2 cents

Re: Don't blame the newbies! Your thoughts?
 

Go to the trouble of locking down your content with DRM protection and report back to me again this time next year.

Ill give you a tip. Members joining your site will HATE it and you will feel it in your pocket book.

Re: Don't blame the newbies! Your thoughts?
 

The analogies wont work. But the bottom line is still take care of your paying customers and dont punish them just because some people steal content. There are many reasonable things you can do that will keep losses to a minimum with no impact to your paying customers.

I'm talking basic stuff like blocking brute password attacks, totally blocking IPs from countries that you know will never pass a credit card scrub, etc.

Re: Don't blame the newbies! Your thoughts?
 

I was talking about free content, guys, not about my members area content.

Re: Don't blame the newbies! Your thoughts?
 

Why would you ever give hardcore away for free?

I rarely give away a nipple.

Re: Don't blame the newbies! Your thoughts?
 

I used to get upset about free content until I realized it is kind of like getting upset with the weather. You can hold your breath until you turn blue, but it is a fact of life. Deal with it. You either sink or swim in the content cesspool. I prefer the latter. There is only one defense against free content. It is the same defense against rising fuel prices. Make more money. Howling at the moon does nothing. I should know.

Re: Don't blame the newbies! Your thoughts?
 

I agree with that, but it doesn't mean I'm gonna give my own shit away just to have it smeared all over TGP's.

I give galleries away, but my galleries tease and make the user want more. And yeah, I know there are TGP's out there that wont post shit unless you have 20+ pictures showing shots that are so high-res a good gynecologist could perform a full examination. And nothing I can do about that, but I'm not going to help him feed all those surfers all that free content by supplying him with mine.

Re: Don't blame the newbies! Your thoughts?
 

I never give away anything unless I think it will produce revenue. Why else are we here. It ain't for the naked women. Well I guess it kind of is, but that is just a perque.