Alex, insults are insults. Its just as insulting to hear day after day to hear "why you guys are so fucked up, by RawAlex"

its not "a political discussion"
its a pattern of abusive and insulting behavior, missleading and inflamatory remarks that are unfair, innacurate and VERY biased to the FAR left by anyones definition.

your "conclusions" and "facts" below are a good example of where your head is at. i cant speak for Colin, but i know that he thinks quite a bit like i do in most cases. i would look at that story and tell you that there is not enough info there to make an opinion about anything except that the school administration had a problem with his shirt. ... even that is an assumption because there is only one side of the story and what there is of a "story" is not much.

you took some incomplete information, and less than half of a story and extrapolated into a massive infringement of Constitutional rights.

thats not balanced, intelligent or fair. the "story" is not a basis for political discussion since there are no facts to discuss and the entire discussion is based on conjecture and assumptions. drawing conclusions from the information you quoted about complex Constitutional issues, The President of the US, the motivations of the school administration and State law as well as other facts that may exist but were not presented is just bizarre, reactionary and delusional.



Last edited by JR at Feb 20 2003, 02:02 AM

No, I dig dig! .. and you. You guys are gonna make a fortune.

That's your second Rush Limbaugh reference in just a few hours. Not only that, you're so flustered that your normally gracious grammar is falling to pieces.

If you're gonna play in this game you need to step up. Repeating the same old tired "Rush
Limbaugh" lines that you read at GFY won't cut it. On the political spectrum, you come
across as a cross between Robin Hood and Peter Pan, prancing around merrily wanting to take
from the rich and give to the poor.

Want something even funnier? The schools here (public and some private) are being run by Leftist Utopians, otherwise known as ultra-Liberal indoctrinators. :nyanya: :nyanya: :nyanya:

[quote]Originally posted by Colin@Feb 20 2003, 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex,Feb 19 2003, 09:47 PM If you're gonna play in this game you need to step up. Repeating the same old tired "Rush Limbaugh" lines that you read at GFY won't cut it. On the political spectrum, you come across as a cross between Robin Hood and Peter Pan, prancing around merrily wanting to take from the rich and give to the poor.

And BTW, Robin Hood didn't rob the rich. He took from the gov't (represented by the Sheriff of Nottingham) and gave back to the people (sort of a tax rebate.) :ph34r: :nyanya:

[quote]i am going to wear my "RawAlex molested my daughter for 10 years" shirt to express my opinion on proper grammar and sentence structure.[quote]


JR this comment was a little bit much.... I have been knowing Alex for a long time, this incudes many in person meetings and such. He is a cool guy, I know you were making a point with sarcasim... but maybe you could have gone with another one liner rather then dealing with sexual abuse of a minor.... that is probably going over the line.


Alex, you have strong opinion, not everyone will agree with them but you represent them well.

Haha.

And then there's this. From some site somewhere ...

Some think that "the first genuine appearance of Robyn Hod in printed form occurs in A Lytell Jeste of Robyn Hode, a poem telling the story of an outlaw and his adventures. This ballad was written down by a man named Wynken de Worde in 1489 and is preserved today at the public library in Cambridge, England.

This poem dates from the late 15th century (printed by Worde at end of the 15th but was actually from the 14th), and it was widely read in its printed language of Olde English at that time. The tale takes place in Barnsdale Forest in Yorkshire. Robyn and his band of men resided in this forest, robbing passers-by on Watling Street near the River Went, a street leading straight to London in the South—a street full of rich travelers."

[quote]Originally posted by Mike AI@Feb 20 2003, 06:54 AM
[quote]i am going to wear my "RawAlex molested my daughter for 10 years" shirt to express my opinion on proper grammar and sentence structure.

Quote:

JR this comment was a little bit much.... I have been knowing Alex for a long time, this incudes many in person meetings and such. He is a cool guy, I know you were making a point with sarcasim... but maybe you could have gone with another one liner rather then dealing with sexual abuse of a minor.... that is probably going over the line.

this is precisely my point Mike.

there are boundaries as to what is acceptable and not acceptable. Alex is making the argument that the school was wrong... but not acknowledging where those boundaries may lie... much less the existence of such boundaries, be they Constitutional, moral, legal or not. There is Federal, State, local law as well as in this case, a school board policy and a school policy... and on top of that, it was a decision that was more or less made by the principal his/herself. There are many things that are considered when deciding what may be appropriate and innapropriate behavior in any given situation.

it would be VERY wrong of me to wear a shirt like that. i agree. that was the point of saying it. And i think that we both agree that to wear a shirt like that and for their to be controversy about it, would not have be indicative of some Government conspiracy to trample on the First Amendment. And i want to point out that its not just a "government conspiracy" Alex is afraid of.. .its a Republican government conspiracy.

By Alex's logic, my right to wear such a shirt is protected "freedom of speech" and for Alex to be consistent with his own logic and argument, he has to defend my right to wear such a shirt.

Alex may be a cool guy. i dont know him. a message board is just pixels.
Non-stop posts about "why America and Americans suck, by RawAlex" is fine with me. but it should not be expected that people dont fire back. being extremely provacative, offensive and insulting again and again does not give him the right to say "hey man, its just a political discussion"

I dont have any particular insecurities about my heritage, my ethnicity or origins or where i live. I dont fear my own government whether it is Republican or Democrat and i dont feel that each new day is worst that the last as some people seem to. I certainly dont feel a burning need to engulf myself in the internal affairs of Iceland, Lichtenstein or Guam or anywhere else because they exist only to make me feel worse about myself due to some sort of Freudian trainwreck of a personality that causes me to live in deep fear of an invisible boogeyman and the 250,000,000 million neighbors that are just too stupid to "get it".

if Alex wants to keep calling Americans stupid, which he calls "harmless political discussion" - then Alex should be right here taking the heat for it.

if anyone wants to know a T-shirt story - here is a good one.

when i was a punk ass teen, i had a T-Shirt that said "Adolf Hitlers World Tour 39-45" showing a map of Europe and the dates of their attacks on different cities. it was a mock shirt of typical bands to show their tour, where they played etc.

i was standing in line in a store in Anchorage Alaska and an old man walked up to me and said with a tear in his eye "i am happy that you did not lose your whole family in that war like i did. its why you can laugh about the worlds greatest tragedy"

i went home and threw the shirt away.

Why?

it was in poor taste. it was innapropriate. it was not "free speech" - it was just an 18 year old kid with his head up his ass trying to piss people off. the President did not make me do it. and i certainly did not wear it to school because the reaction would have been very predictable.

to this day, i am still ashamed at some of the things i did like that. ashamed of the hurt that it caused others and ashamed that i was so ignorant and full of myself that i did not mind hurting people in the deepest and most offensive way.

but i dont blame the President. I dont blame the School board. i dont blame the Constitution. I blame myself... and i am greatful that someone had the courage to walk up to me and say something about it.

JR, quite simply, there is "heat" and there is libel.

You crossed the line. I have sent you mail, and I have asked nice - you need to edit your posts to remove the problem phrase. In our industry we don't even JOKE about attacking children. Taken at a glance, people could form an opinion of me, and greatly affect my livelyhood.

I consulted. It is actionable. I'm being nice about it right now.

Call me a moron, and asshole, whatever... that is just name calling and who cares. You clearly suggested that I committed a horrible act,without any proof to back it up. You posted it in a public forum. I already have had email on the subject.

It made me physically ill.

I asked you in private, and I will ask you in public. Be a man, realize you are out of line, and fix the problem. This is the last request.

The next one will be alot more expensive - and I don't want to have to go that way.

thanks

Alex

anything is "actionable" Alex, thats why the US is the most litigeous country in the world.

nice final arguement in your "political discussion"

call the President of the United States a terrorist=Freedom of Speech.
joke about RawAlex=threat from RawAlex

JR, I gave you the chance. I am sorry for whatever else comes of this.

You obviously are not able to tell when you have crossed a line. Some stuff you don't joke about.

I really am sorry for you.

I've heard better jokes...

I've heard better jokes...[/b][/quote]
Q: What´s black and white and goes round and around?
A: A Penguin in a revolving door.

i modified the post some time ago.

so you are free to change your diaper, find your pacifier and get back to work with more of your "why America sucks" posts.

its also like the 10th time you have replied to me after promising you will not reply to me anymore.

where can my attorney send the C&D ?

Sorry JR but for those of us who have children who have been molested it was no joke - and never will be.

i do not find humor in it. it was not intended to be humorous. i dont think that anyone who could have read it would have reasonably thought it was a serious remark.

i said it to make the simple point that was made perfectly by Alex's threats to me. there are boundaries to acceptable behavior and it is not an issue of "free speech" nor is it necessarily a republican government conspiracy to show what a biased flake he is.

sometimes people say and do dumb shit and it just does not mean anything.

the kid did it.
i did it.
and alex couldn't stop himself from doing it even if he was locked in a padded bank vault and unconscious.



Last edited by JR at Feb 20 2003, 09:48 AM

Jr, as I mentioned in mail, moving me from one criminal offence to another isn't exactly fixing the problem.

I have commited no crimes of a sexual nature.

I have not murdered anyone.

Heck, I had a bondage girl complain that I don't spank hard enough.

Please keep working your edits. your getting closer to not being in a very bad position.

Alex

Are you going to kill him and prove him right?

i am sorry Alex, i thought there was a specific remark or referrence that offended you. it was removed.

i am confused on this free speech thing and your interpretation of it.

is you threatening to hurt my family as you did in e-mail free speech?

please clarify.

There needs to be a "popcorn" smiley for me to interject into a thread like this one.

In the meantime this will have to do:

:stout:

Alex,

You pussy! Sending me messages that my company might be responsible for making libelous statements against you and that I need to get it straightened out is harassment. Keep it up or send me one more such message and you'll need a bodyguard and a restraining order at the next show too.

Add that to your lawsuit, asshole. I'm sure that will be enough to make you cry, get sick, clean the toilet and call your lawyer. I really don't give a shit.

There isn't a single person here who thinks you are a murderer just because JR said "i can make a shirt with a false statement saying "RawAlex is a murdering terrorist" and then justify it by claiming my intent is to simply express my opinion on proper grammar and sentence structure".

Jesus, pull the rod out of your ass and fucking lighten up. It's sad that this is all you had left in the debate. Threatening lawsuits.

Colin, you know me, I always have more to contibute to a debate... as I stated, I don't really care what you call me in the "name" department, that is all bluster and crap... who cares.

I am not a criminal, don't want to be labeled as one, especially not for the type of crimes your partner has suggested.

My understanding of the US legal system made me want to contact you, hoping that your more level head would help to encourage your partner to do the right thing.

The rod in my ass is there because your partner put it there. I wouldn't have it there otherwise, you know me, I ain't much for lawyers and I sure ain't much for courtrooms. I wouldn't want to have to go down that road, it is ugly and nobody wins... but JR does need to know where the line in the sand is that marks the end of playful and moves over to serious.

Alex

What if we thought Alex was a murdering terrorist before reading it on Oprano? Does that count?

DJ: It's an amazing world, you can have a personal opinion... but you cannot state it as fact when it ain't true.

That's just how the game is played. :-)

Alex

In other words, you should not be able to wear a t-shirt calling the President an "International Terrorist", because some people may read that shirt and ASSUME that it's true rather than merely a personal opinion...

Glad we have come to an agreement on at least one issue...

I don't have a dog in this fight and I'm honestly not picking sides, but in reading this, a dumb legal question came to mind:

How libelous is "Raw Alex is ANYTHING" since Raw Alex isn't a legal entity? Contrary to popular belief, my birth name wasn't Peaches. I daresay, Diamond Jim's wasn't Diamond Jim (though I could be wrong :awinky: ), MikeAI probably isn't really MikeAI, and I'm thinking Raw Alex isn't on anyone's birth certificate, driver's license, business records, tax certificates, etc.

I'm not asking to stir up trouble, I'm honestly curious as to where a "username" starts and stops being something you can legally defame.

I hardly call a hypothetical point made ONLY to demonstrate the absurdity of your statement an attempt to present something as a fact that is not true. The point was by it's very nature intended to be absurd in order to demonstrate the silliness of your proposition. That is all.

If you really think JR was trying to convince people that you are a murderer or that you molested his daughter (who is 28 years old and adopted anyway. Those Alaskans are strange with their Russian-bride "contracts". ) - then you are awful at reading people's intentions. If you further think anyone believed it, you are even worse.

I know the real Peaches and am glad to say I do.

For the record .. I am the real Colin. :groucho:

DJ: Actually, there is a car that was blown up in the middle of Yemen by a US miliary device. The US has not declared war on Yemen, but took military action. If someone from Yemen did the same in the US, you could label him a terrorist.

While the comment is not popular, it isn't 100% out of line either.

It is one of those things, you know?

Alex

Hehehe - here's a long, funny story:

Was born one name. Got married, changed name, got divorced, went back to maiden name, divorce attorney screwed up so my "maiden" name is different than my birth certificate and I have no middle name now - just an initial.

My son - I changed his name when I got divorced so HIS name isn't the same as his birth certificate. What fun getting passports, going through customs, getting gun permit, getting into school, sports teams, etc. is - especially when it's the two of us together. I'm sure we look like a couple of blue eyed terrorists (which I can say, since I'm saying it against myself, and I know I don't own anything so suing me will net nothing :awinky: )

Colin, the problem comes from people who read comments like that and then take them out of context. Alot of people just skim boards... like, say Luke Ford. Suddenly, there is a headline on Luke Ford: JR says Rawalex is a ******* and will be making up t-shirts to sell in protest". He would be taking an offhand comment, turning it into a publish fact that, even after 100 retractions, would still leave that opinion in people's minds.

Then my reputation, my ability to do business with people would be affected forever.

It also has to do with debate and discussion. Already, calling people names isn't exactly productive (24 years ago, it was determined that any message board post that started with "Hey asshole" usually wouldn't be read. You may not like my opinions, so debate them, but don't mock the person - that is pointless.

Alex

freedom of speech... just watch what you say!
alex said it best.
:rolleyes:

But I am really Vick, well at least according to my birth certificate (which I could be personally unsure of as I was not of sound mind and body at the time of it's issuance
Not Victor, Not Vicki or Vicky (except for those "special" nights) :groucho:

Now this whole ball of wax is getting :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: so the combants please take viarga, grease up and sword fight or :inlove: :inlove: :hic: :hic: :barfon: :barfon: then :stout: more and :barfon: again and then :wankit: till you :barfon:

As an observer of this debacle, I'd like to say that JR said the insulting line once. You have repeated it about 20 times Alex. It seems to me if you were worried about people reading it as you say, you wouldn't have turned one instance of it into a dozen or more. Further you have demanded he remove it, yet the countless times you repeated it are still there. Are you worried the people "skimming" as you say, will still see it and misunderstand?

No, this is about ego and overreaction in my humble opinion. Nothing more.

That being said, I have overreacted many times on boards myself. It's easy to do.

My 2 cents anyways.

Alex, only you can twist shit and make something out of nothing.

Attack by a US drone on a car full of Al Qaida WANTED terrorists was appproved by the president of Yemen. He got a lot of heat for it when that was leaked out through the press. Unlike your friends the French, Yemen gives us permission to fly over their air space.

and btw, we did not take military action against Yemen. Stop making shit up.

and what does this have to do with anything ??

Does anyone have any info on who exactly was murdered by RawAlex?

Thats the good Juice! C'mon Colin, give it up! :)

He killed the radio star.

The First Amendment only bars the gov't from infringeing upon the right of free speech. If we're face to face and you call me a name and I mess you up, you can have me arrested for assault; but NOT for violating your civil rights.