And this coming from someone who gave up trying to understand MS programming after 3 weeks?

:rolleyes:

Um, this my programming friend is a Big Plus.

Being able to always get a job is a GOOD thing.

So for all of you programmers out there...

What I think he is saying is...

"If you want to learn a challenging language that will allow you to do much more that PHP, AND be in HIGH DEMAND....learn .NET."

:D

The .NET Framework is very, very Powerful.

There are a lot of classes to use. (Over 3400)

You just have to study the .NET Framework.

Good places to start:



http://www.gotdotnet.com/team/framework/default.aspx

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default....etframework.asp

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default....cpref_start.asp

Me thinks someone may have had a few glasses of Redmond KoolAid!

PHP is better compared to ASP. If you wanna talk ASP.net, you should really be comparing J2EE to be apples to apples.

However, in adult, Unix, PHP and Perl are very firmly entrenched. There are very few applications in adult where it makes sense to spend the additional development overhead necessary to use EITHER asp.net or J2EE. And that is before you even consider things like whether your host is capable of supporting and SECURING a Microsoft server.

But here's my real issue with .net. .NET is a product. J2EE is a standard. Want some middleware? With .NET, there's exactly one vendor...Microsoft. With J2EE there are over 30...

Well, Microsoft is really pushing this .NET software.

I just seen 5 ads for it on tv in the last 2 commercial breaks.

EricP,

How much is Microsoft paying you?

:nyanya:

Longterm?

Maybe Millions.

And this from the same great people who fucked up the Net over the weekend with their seven month late and still fucked up MySQL patch!!!

.... Oh yeah, baby: Microshit and the Internet, they go together like a Hasidic assembly at a pig roast!!

The day Gates can figure out how to do a fully-functinal smooth-operating Hotmail without Linux is the day I might believe they are starting to get a clue.

Sorry but running serious applications on Microsoft platforms vs. any flavor of *nix is *generally*:

a) not cost effective
b) less reliable
c) more difficult to maintain

The .NET technology might be great. The only problem is that it relies on insecure and unstable MS OS technology..

MS works great on the desktop, but servers are another story



Last edited by KC at Jan 28 2003, 05:10 AM

Dravyk,

Really man... you should not speak too loudly about things you know nothing about.

1. Microsoft released a patch for the worm last July.
2. Umm...Do you know the difference between MYSQL and SQL Server? Guess Not.
3. Blah, Blah, Blah.

I guess you haven't tried Windows Server 2003 have you?
Or 2000 for that matter.

I completly disagree.

The MS databases are the weakest links. All our apps we used to write we used an IBM AS/400 for the database server. You could hack the NT server but all you could do was screw around with some html and asp code. AS/400's are extremely difficult to hack into which is why the pentagon uses them. Another dirty little secret that Microsoft doesn't want people to know is that they ran their business on IBM AS/400's until a few years ago because they knew their own security was so poor.

Ulife,

Tell me...

Have you developed any apps with MS SQL Server/Windows Server 2000 or 2003? How did that go? Who programmed the app? Who admin the server? Did they use the right tools to lock the server down?

Also, have you looked around webmaster resource sites that have always been very Pro PHP and have you noticed that they all love .NET? (www.sitepoint.com is one)

How much research have you done on MS security?

Interesting. Who knew? :yowsa:

Can you post the article that you read this at? I'm sure it's creditable....so no fear. B)

I will put up a Server and will pay $100.00 an ANYONE who can hack it.

No questions asked.

If you are interested, please post here and we will work out the details right here on this board.

Yes, a Windows Server.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/biztech/01/28...ap/index.htmluj

'nuff said.

Alex

Yes, they should have caught that hole long ago in development.
Yes, the admin should have installed the patches.

SQL Server was written in unmanaged code that easily allowed buffer overflows.

.NET provides a whole new realm of security and a much more secure way to code.

Do some Research on this people.

Make it $10K.. no firewall and I'll hire someone to hack it.

Darin,

What amazes me is how little people know about what it can really do.

Most fools spout off comments without even reading up on .NET first.

It amazes me.[/b][/quote]
My thought still stands.

If you guys would read a bit about the inner workings of .NET, you would not be spouting all these comments.

Make it $10K.. no firewall and I'll hire someone to hack it.[/b][/quote]
hahaha....

A firewall is a must have.

It is a large part of locking down a system.

I thought the patch they released last year didn't even work.

I know admins who updated their patches on Friday and still got screwed when that started.

Bottom line, windows servers don't belong on the internet.. they should be confined to little corporate networks.

How do you test how strong a system's security is if you do a test behind a firewall? sounds like a network security test.

The systems should be able to stand on their own.

Which would get hacked first on an open network. A well configured FreeBSD box or a well configured windows 2000 box? How long would it take to configure each platform?

FreeBSD = 30 minutes?
Win 2000 = 3 Days?

I thought the patch they released last year didn't even work.

I know admins who updated their patches on Friday and still got screwed when that started.

Bottom line, windows servers don't belong on the internet.. they should be confined to little corporate networks.[/b][/quote]
KC,

Again you are spouting off with little or no facts.

This is foolish to debate this with you when you have done no research on .NET.

Actually I use Win 2000 for my desktop and laptop OS..

but the last time I put a windows server on my network it was compromised and used in a DDoS attack against a company that sued us. We spent $50K and about 3 months on a lawsuit defending ourselves over a stupid Windowz box.

.NET runs on a MS OS right? Therefore a discussion about OS reliability and security is reasonable.

KC I remembered when this happened.... :( :angry:

It was a long weekend.. for sure. :(

I am not a programmer but a business owner who replies on programmers and solutions. I agree with Mike. Industry standards pull a lot of weight, while MS past and recent events make you go, "Hmmmm".

You could pay me to do Windows Server anything much less trust my business beyond my personal PC, Win XP - to Microsoft.

News is news and talk is talk at this point.

Additionally, when MS bought hotmail.com.. they attempted to convert it from FreeBSD & Apache to NT and IIS.. but NT couldn't handle the load and they switched back to the *nix solution..

Eric,

Do you know any sites that are in the top 20 (in terms of traffic) that use MS technology? It's not a platform for serious traffic. In the adult industry, the traffic loads are different that little MS Consulting firms and stuff.

How do you test how strong a system's security is if you do a test behind a firewall? sounds like a network security test.

The systems should be able to stand on their own.

Which would get hacked first on an open network. A well configured FreeBSD box or a well configured windows 2000 box? How long would it take to configure each platform?

FreeBSD = 30 minutes?
Win 2000 = 3 Days?[/b][/quote]
Thats fine KC. No Firewall.



Me? About 2 hours.

[quote]Originally posted by KC@Jan 28 2003, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ulfie,Jan 28 2003, 01:24 PM Eric, Do you know any sites that are in the top 20 (in terms of traffic) that use MS technology? It's not a platform for serious traffic. In the adult industry, the traffic loads are different that little MS Consulting firms and stuff.

Thats right,

http://www.nasdaq.com and MS all get trickle traffic.

Puuullleezzz.

[quote]Originally posted by EricP@Jan 28 2003, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC,Jan 28 2003, 02:11 PM Quote: Originally Posted by ulfie,Jan 28 2003, 01:24 PM Eric, Do you know any sites that are in the top 20 (in terms of traffic) that use MS technology? It's not a platform for serious traffic. In the adult industry, the traffic loads are different that little MS Consulting firms and stuff. Thats right, http://www.nasdaq.com and MS all get trickle traffic. Puuullleezzz.

Nasdaq is a top 20 site?

how about any sites that MS doesn't own?

Why is it that Microsoft Disciples believe MS is the best for every situation? Isn't it just exhausting to defned MS all the time?

I doubt http://www.nasdaq.com is in top 20 sites on the net.

And I thin microsoft is listed with them, thus they are trying to use technology of their clients.

KC, problem is Eric drnak the kool-aid, and got a BIG dose.

Eric, when you discuss a microsoft product such as .net, you have to remember that you end up with the whole ball of microslop wax. You get the windows, and .net runs mostly on the sql server, so there ya go. You also eat up all that overhead making a nice gui display for the console, and the overhead that is windows running, even at idle. Critical system resources (ram and processor cycles) are wasted doing all the things you don't need to run a server. More importantly, from a security standpoint, literally thousands of ports are open on the TCP/IP that don't need to be, and they answer...

you like .net, that's fine. Enjoy it. Do something with it, and then come back and show us how smart you are. We aren't in the business of theoreticals, were are in the business of high volume porn serving...

Heck, if your are right, then you have a big jump on the rest of us and you will be rich!

:rokk:

Alex

Top 20 (alot of korean sites...) according to alexa.com:

#1
Web Site Yahoo!
Provides intuitive, context-based guides to online content, Web search capabilities, third-party content and community and personalization features which enable Web users to locate and access desired information and services. (Nasdaq: YHOO).
www.yahoo.com

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

2. MSN.com
Microsoft's Internet portal. Offers personalized content, with search, news, stocks, email, weather and access to other Microsoft content channels including MSNBC, Carpoint, Expedia (travel) and more.
www.msn.com

3. 다음daum
A very popular South Korean portal. Offers search, news, finance, entertainment, and other portal features.
www.daum.net

4. 네이버
통합 검색과 디렉토리, 웹페이지, 해외사이트, 멀티미디어, 뉴스 검색을 지원하는 검색 포털.
www.naver.com

5. Google
Enables users to search the Web, Usenet, and images. Features include PageRank, caching and translation of results, and an option to find similar pages. The company's focus is developing search technology.
www.google.com

6. Alexa Internet
Please note: The traffic ranking for alexa.com is inflated because users of the Alexa Toolbar are disproportionately likely to visit our site. Alexa provides great search results plus free information about sites.
www.alexa.com

7. Passport.net
www.passport.net

8. Yahoo! JAPAN
掲示板、オークションなどの参加型コンテンツがあるディレクトリ。
www.yahoo.co.jp

9. Sayclub.com
www.sayclub.com

10. Microsoft Corporation
Designs, develops, manufactures, licenses, sells and supports a wide range of software products. (Nasdaq: MSFT).
www.microsoft.com

11. E-Bay
Buy and sell stamps and related items.
www.ebay.com

12. Bugsmusic.co.kr
www.bugsmusic.co.kr

13. Sina北京新浪网
位于北京的新闻中心，包括新闻与评论。
www.sina.com.cn

14. 넷마블
즐거운 게임세상 배틀가로세로 퀴즈마블 워드크래프트 워드워 워드빙고 최강헥사 최강테트리스 파워 알까기(장기) 파워 알까기(바둑) 바 둑 장 기 오 목 따 목 상 목 고스톱 섯 다 세븐포커 슬롯머신
www.netmarble.net

15. Sohu.com Inc.
Produces Chinese language Internet portal and internet communities. (Nasdaq: SOHU).
www.sohu.com

16. Amazon.com
Retails electronics, books, CDs, toys, DVDs, kitchen items, software, tools, games, and much, much more.
www.amazon.com

17. 网易
提供虚拟社区和电邮服务。
www.163.com

18. 드림위즈
꿈이 이루어지는 인터넷 DreamWiz !!
www.dreamwiz.com

19. Gator.com
Gator free eWallet download fills in online forms.
www.gator.com

20. 프리챌
현실사회의 공동체를 사이버에서 더욱 발전시켜 갈 수 있도록 하는 커뮤니티 전문 인터넷 서비스
www.freechal.com

I'm throwing a script together that will check the top 100 sites.. (based on Alexa)..

I should have the tallys in about 20 mins.. :)

KC....pull your panties out of your ass! :)

I never said that.

In fact, I said above that if all you need is a database and webserver, stick with *nix, mysql, and php.

98% of the servers I work with are *nix and that is fine with me.

I would not put a lot of porn sites on a MS Server, nor have I ever said I wanted to. There is just no need for that.

I am talking about enterprise solutions and enterprise data engines.

I build MS solutions at home, in my spare time. At work, I build on *nix platforms with PHP.

If you think that is what I was implying, we need to back up and start again.

The topic of this discussion was ASP.NET, not running your porn sites on Windows Server.